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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Flipx99 I don't know what happened behind the scenes - but I can say what I think should have happened. When Drew started to receive threats against his family he should have met with Jenkins and Thomas, ...

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Old 09-28-2020, 11:22 AM   #1
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

Originally Posted by Flipx99 View Post
I don't know what happened behind the scenes - but I can say what I think should have happened.

When Drew started to receive threats against his family he should have met with Jenkins and Thomas, looked them in the eyes and told them we are supposed to be teammates. From one man to other men, you need to do whatever you can to fix this. This is my family we are talking about.

If they refused, I think he should have called it a career and walked away.
Did I miss where either Thomas or Jenkins overtly threatened the family of Brees? And both Thomas and Jenkins have received death threats for their stance also. Brees isn’t responsible for idiots threatening Thomas and Jenkins, nor are Thomas/Jenkins responsible for idiots threatening Brees.
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Old 09-28-2020, 12:27 PM   #2
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Did I miss where either Thomas or Jenkins overtly threatened the family of Brees?
You can tear that strawman down if you like. Makes no difference to me.
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Old 09-28-2020, 08:45 PM   #3
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Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

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Did I miss where either Thomas or Jenkins overtly threatened the family of Brees? And both Thomas and Jenkins have received death threats for their stance also. Brees isn’t responsible for idiots threatening Thomas and Jenkins, nor are Thomas/Jenkins responsible for idiots threatening Brees.
Boy... This is going out of your way to miss the point.

Those two players gas-lighted a situation that otherwise civilized human beings should have been able to handle like a simple disagreement, talk behind closed doors, and get over it. They made a very public scene of hatred towards Brees which ignited the whole team against him. THEN they had their closed door meeting, where one can only assume, based on the bullying tactics they verbally used on twitter, that Brees was instructed that he would either see things their way or they would not play beside him. This gas-lighting led to death threats from others. No one said Jenkins or Thomas, themselves.

For Brees' part, he should have stood his ground, regardless of what the "discussion" was. But, he gave in to the pressure and put a game before his principles. And aside from the obvious distraction all of this would cause any team, I believe there is something that happens inside a man's mind when he forfeits his integrity in order to appease a few ignorant people. He's going around wearing a criminal's name on his helmet, and he doesn't even know who it is. He's just doing what he's told. That's a man who's lost his gonads. No one is following him, anymore. He's being dragged along. And that is crippling to a team's chemistry.

But, I don't feel sorry for any of them. They had their "priorities" and made their choices. Some people call it "karma". I simply say you reap what you sow.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 09-28-2020, 09:44 PM   #4
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Boy... This is going out of your way to miss the point.

Those two players gas-lighted a situation that otherwise civilized human beings should have been able to handle like a simple disagreement, talk behind closed doors, and get over it. They made a very public scene of hatred towards Brees which ignited the whole team against him. THEN they had their closed door meeting, where one can only assume, based on the bullying tactics they verbally used on twitter, that Brees was instructed that he would either see things their way or they would not play beside him. This gas-lighting led to death threats from others. No one said Jenkins or Thomas, themselves.

For Brees' part, he should have stood his ground, regardless of what the "discussion" was. But, he gave in to the pressure and put a game before his principles. And aside from the obvious distraction all of this would cause any team, I believe there is something that happens inside a man's mind when he forfeits his integrity in order to appease a few ignorant people. He's going around wearing a criminal's name on his helmet, and he doesn't even know who it is. He's just doing what he's told. That's a man who's lost his gonads. No one is following him, anymore. He's being dragged along. And that is crippling to a team's chemistry.

But, I don't feel sorry for any of them. They had their "priorities" and made their choices. Some people call it "karma". I simply say you reap what you sow.
You’re assuming a lot in this post, by your own admissions. And Drew Brees did what he felt was the right thing to do, regardless of what you or I think. I happen to agree with you, on a lot of things, but guess what? Neither you, nor I are Drew Brees, neither of us know the conversations that happened, nor the manner in which they were held. It’s nothing more than assuming, And there is a common colloquialism associated with that habit. I won’t allow Brees, or for that manner you or anybody else, to tell me what I “should do” or shouldn’t. I give that same respect to everybody I meet, including you and everybody else. I have no right to tell you what you “should do” in any situation you face. I’m just not understanding of folks saying: “I woulda done this, instead of that”. It seems nonsensical bc, it wasn’t that person!

As far as the threats, it’s extremely simple. Absent direct interaction, not perceived or assumed interaction, from Thomas or Jenkins, they are in no way responsible for nut jobs and the threats they make. And I read absolutely no death threat encouragement from anyone at that time.

Bottom line..., his business ain’t my business. He handled it the way he felt was most appropriate. What “I would have done” is unimportant, unequivocally..., bc I ain’t him.
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Old 09-28-2020, 10:26 PM   #5
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You’re assuming a lot in this post, by your own admissions. And Drew Brees did what he felt was the right thing to do, regardless of what you or I think. I happen to agree with you, on a lot of things, but guess what? Neither you, nor I are Drew Brees, neither of us know the conversations that happened, nor the manner in which they were held. It’s nothing more than assuming, And there is a common colloquialism associated with that habit. I won’t allow Brees, or for that manner you or anybody else, to tell me what I “should do” or shouldn’t. I give that same respect to everybody I meet, including you and everybody else. I have no right to tell you what you “should do” in any situation you face. I’m just not understanding of folks saying: “I woulda done this, instead of that”. It seems nonsensical bc, it wasn’t that person!

As far as the threats, it’s extremely simple. Absent direct interaction, not perceived or assumed interaction, from Thomas or Jenkins, they are in no way responsible for nut jobs and the threats they make. And I read absolutely no death threat encouragement from anyone at that time.

Bottom line..., his business ain’t my business. He handled it the way he felt was most appropriate. What “I would have done” is unimportant, unequivocally..., bc I ain’t him.
My "assumptions" were not about whether or not he received death threats. That much is a fact. No one is saying Thomas or Jenkins threatened or encouraged violence against Brees. That is the second time you've made that straw man. The fact is that they incited a toxic situation, and the least they could have done is handle their business privately, from the start. They did not.

My assumptions are otherwise known as logical conclusions. I wasn't present when OJ Simpson killed two people, and the jury said he was innocent. There was evidence that he was abusive toward his wife/ex wife, which would lead one to believe, along with all of the other evidence, that he was the culprit. But since no one "was there", the jury decided it must have been anyone other than OJ.

Are you following my analogy? Does anyone in their right mind believe OJ was innocent? Brees has held a certain stance for a long time. That means we have an established understanding of his character. His teammates verbally raped him on twitter like a bunch of high school bullies. Drew is now the enemy on his own team. So He had a clear choice to make. Retire, knowing the team wasn't behind him, and retain his integrity, or sell his integrity and dignity down the road to play another season or two. He chose number two.

I don't have to wonder if there was a courteous conversation behind closed doors, wherein Drew suddenly changed his entire opinion on a stance he previously held steadfast to. Why? Drew had an established point of view, and his teammates had already established that they weren't capable of handling a disagreement like grown men. Because if they WERE, they would never have publicly attacked him, in the first place.

Therefore, I can logically conclude (or assume, if you prefer) that Drew was shouted down until he relented. That was the behavior already demonstrated by his teammates, and nobody changes their opinion in less than 24 hours. You are taking a leap of blind faith to conclude otherwise, IMO.

Now, as for not "having the right" to say what someone should do: I only agree to an extent. You can't tell someone WHAT to do. SHOULD do, is a different animal. Do you believe no one has the right to say you shouldn't steal, or lie, or commit a violent act? Do you believe that no one has the right to say you shouldn't sell your soul to play a game? We learn right from wrong, by our parents telling us what we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do.

BLM is a Marxist organization. The players are supporting criminals as they whine about police brutality. Drew has chosen willful ignorance in order to maintain his place on a football team. I have every right to say he should not have done that. Just like anyone would have the right to say it about me, if I did the same.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:03 AM   #6
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...We learn right from wrong, by our parents telling us what we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do.
Exactly..., And neither Brees, Thomas nor Jenkins are in need of “parents telling them what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do”. It’s their confrontation, they said they handled it, Period. Is it possible that emotions and commentary become more heated in the future? Sure, if they continue losing. Winning, regardless of who is at the QB is a cure-all for what ails the locker room.

lol at the straw man argument. My friend, this is a public forum full of opinions, it’s not moderated as to “form” or “function” in our speech, it’s not peer reviewed such that experts analyze our statements. It’s very simply..., opinions. And anybody who brings “OJ” into a discussion, while simultaneously calling another out over usage of informal fallacious speak fails to abide by the same set of rules he expects from others.

Bottom line, what other ppl do wrt their interpersonal relationships ain’t none of my business. Doubly so for royalty, Hollywood elites and professional athletes. I’m just not a pitchforker. But..., to each their own.
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:20 AM   #7
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Exactly..., And neither Brees, Thomas nor Jenkins are in need of “parents telling them what they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do”. It’s their confrontation, they said they handled it, Period. Is it possible that emotions and commentary become more heated in the future? Sure, if they continue losing. Winning, regardless of who is at the QB is a cure-all for what ails the locker room.

lol at the straw man argument. My friend, this is a public forum full of opinions, it’s not moderated as to “form” or “function” in our speech, it’s not peer reviewed such that experts analyze our statements. It’s very simply..., opinions. And anybody who brings “OJ” into a discussion, while simultaneously calling another out over usage of informal fallacious speak fails to abide by the same set of rules he expects from others.

Bottom line, what other ppl do wrt their interpersonal relationships ain’t none of my business. Doubly so for royalty, Hollywood elites and professional athletes. I’m just not a pitchforker. But..., to each their own.
You don't seem to understand what I even mean by "straw man". It's not about a "form of speech". I don't care if you write like Shakespeare, or big bubba down the street. Your straw man was arguing that Neither Thomas nor Jenkins has advocated for violence, when that is not the argument anyone was making. My OJ comment was very clearly an analogy (which I specifically stated) to explain how one doesn't have to "be there" in order to draw certain conclusions. I thought of the most likely real life situation that I thought you'd be familiar with to make an analogy. I don't think that's rocket science, friend. And I think you knew exactly what I was doing. So, with all due respect, I'd appreciate it if you'd spare me the drivel about this being a public forum, and not peer reviewed, and holding people to a different standard than myself. None of that had anything to do with what I said.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:48 AM   #8
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You don't seem to understand what I even mean by "straw man". It's not about a "form of speech". I don't care if you write like Shakespeare, or big bubba down the street. Your straw man was arguing that Neither Thomas nor Jenkins has advocated for violence, when that is not the argument anyone was making. My OJ comment was very clearly an analogy (which I specifically stated) to explain how one doesn't have to "be there" in order to draw certain conclusions. I thought of the most likely real life situation that I thought you'd be familiar with to make an analogy. I don't think that's rocket science, friend. And I think you knew exactly what I was doing. So, with all due respect, I'd appreciate it if you'd spare me the drivel about this being a public forum, and not peer reviewed, and holding people to a different standard than myself. None of that had anything to do with what I said.
One standard, apply it to both sides of that commentary. Did free speech, on either side encourage violence? The answer is no, from everything I’ve read. Therefore, it’s my belief neither Thomas or Jenkins didn’t need to address that behind doors, I wouldn’t have. That is not a “straw man”..., in any way, shape or form. The entire discussion revolves around the commentary from Jenkins and Thomas, it’s 100% proper to ask the very simple question:

“Did either side encourage violence through their social media platforms?”

Spare me the drivel about “straw- man” arguments, lol. Everything you’ve ever stated is some form of formal/informal fallacious arguments..., same for me. It’s just opinions, they’re neither right..., nor wrong.
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