M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints

burningmetal · 09-28-2020, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

You’re assuming a lot in this post, by your own admissions. And Drew Brees did what he felt was the right thing to do, regardless of what you or I think. I happen to agree with you, on a lot of things, but guess what? Neither you, nor I are Drew Brees, neither of us know the conversations that happened, nor the manner in which they were held. It’s nothing more than assuming, And there is a common colloquialism associated with that habit. I won’t allow Brees, or for that manner you or anybody else, to tell me what I “should do” or shouldn’t. I give that same respect to everybody I meet, including you and everybody else. I have no right to tell you what you “should do” in any situation you face. I’m just not understanding of folks saying: “I woulda done this, instead of that”. It seems nonsensical bc, it wasn’t that person!

As far as the threats, it’s extremely simple. Absent direct interaction, not perceived or assumed interaction, from Thomas or Jenkins, they are in no way responsible for nut jobs and the threats they make. And I read absolutely no death threat encouragement from anyone at that time.

Bottom line..., his business ain’t my business. He handled it the way he felt was most appropriate. What “I would have done” is unimportant, unequivocally..., bc I ain’t him.

My "assumptions" were not about whether or not he received death threats. That much is a fact. No one is saying Thomas or Jenkins threatened or encouraged violence against Brees. That is the second time you've made that straw man. The fact is that they incited a toxic situation, and the least they could have done is handle their business privately, from the start. They did not.

My assumptions are otherwise known as logical conclusions. I wasn't present when OJ Simpson killed two people, and the jury said he was innocent. There was evidence that he was abusive toward his wife/ex wife, which would lead one to believe, along with all of the other evidence, that he was the culprit. But since no one "was there", the jury decided it must have been anyone other than OJ.

Are you following my analogy? Does anyone in their right mind believe OJ was innocent? Brees has held a certain stance for a long time. That means we have an established understanding of his character. His teammates verbally raped him on twitter like a bunch of high school bullies. Drew is now the enemy on his own team. So He had a clear choice to make. Retire, knowing the team wasn't behind him, and retain his integrity, or sell his integrity and dignity down the road to play another season or two. He chose number two.

I don't have to wonder if there was a courteous conversation behind closed doors, wherein Drew suddenly changed his entire opinion on a stance he previously held steadfast to. Why? Drew had an established point of view, and his teammates had already established that they weren't capable of handling a disagreement like grown men. Because if they WERE, they would never have publicly attacked him, in the first place.

Therefore, I can logically conclude (or assume, if you prefer) that Drew was shouted down until he relented. That was the behavior already demonstrated by his teammates, and nobody changes their opinion in less than 24 hours. You are taking a leap of blind faith to conclude otherwise, IMO.

Now, as for not "having the right" to say what someone should do: I only agree to an extent. You can't tell someone WHAT to do. SHOULD do, is a different animal. Do you believe no one has the right to say you shouldn't steal, or lie, or commit a violent act? Do you believe that no one has the right to say you shouldn't sell your soul to play a game? We learn right from wrong, by our parents telling us what we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do.

BLM is a Marxist organization. The players are supporting criminals as they whine about police brutality. Drew has chosen willful ignorance in order to maintain his place on a football team. I have every right to say he should not have done that. Just like anyone would have the right to say it about me, if I did the same.

09-28-2020, 10:26 PM	#11
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: M Jenkins and Michael Thomas killed the Saints Originally Posted by gosaints1 You’re assuming a lot in this post, by your own admissions. And Drew Brees did what he felt was the right thing to do, regardless of what you or I think. I happen to agree with you, on a lot of things, but guess what? Neither you, nor I are Drew Brees, neither of us know the conversations that happened, nor the manner in which they were held. It’s nothing more than assuming, And there is a common colloquialism associated with that habit. I won’t allow Brees, or for that manner you or anybody else, to tell me what I “should do” or shouldn’t. I give that same respect to everybody I meet, including you and everybody else. I have no right to tell you what you “should do” in any situation you face. I’m just not understanding of folks saying: “I woulda done this, instead of that”. It seems nonsensical bc, it wasn’t that person! As far as the threats, it’s extremely simple. Absent direct interaction, not perceived or assumed interaction, from Thomas or Jenkins, they are in no way responsible for nut jobs and the threats they make. And I read absolutely no death threat encouragement from anyone at that time. Bottom line..., his business ain’t my business. He handled it the way he felt was most appropriate. What “I would have done” is unimportant, unequivocally..., bc I ain’t him. My "assumptions" were not about whether or not he received death threats. That much is a fact. No one is saying Thomas or Jenkins threatened or encouraged violence against Brees. That is the second time you've made that straw man. The fact is that they incited a toxic situation, and the least they could have done is handle their business privately, from the start. They did not. My assumptions are otherwise known as logical conclusions. I wasn't present when OJ Simpson killed two people, and the jury said he was innocent. There was evidence that he was abusive toward his wife/ex wife, which would lead one to believe, along with all of the other evidence, that he was the culprit. But since no one "was there", the jury decided it must have been anyone other than OJ. Are you following my analogy? Does anyone in their right mind believe OJ was innocent? Brees has held a certain stance for a long time. That means we have an established understanding of his character. His teammates verbally raped him on twitter like a bunch of high school bullies. Drew is now the enemy on his own team. So He had a clear choice to make. Retire, knowing the team wasn't behind him, and retain his integrity, or sell his integrity and dignity down the road to play another season or two. He chose number two. I don't have to wonder if there was a courteous conversation behind closed doors, wherein Drew suddenly changed his entire opinion on a stance he previously held steadfast to. Why? Drew had an established point of view, and his teammates had already established that they weren't capable of handling a disagreement like grown men. Because if they WERE, they would never have publicly attacked him, in the first place. Therefore, I can logically conclude (or assume, if you prefer) that Drew was shouted down until he relented. That was the behavior already demonstrated by his teammates, and nobody changes their opinion in less than 24 hours. You are taking a leap of blind faith to conclude otherwise, IMO. Now, as for not "having the right" to say what someone should do: I only agree to an extent. You can't tell someone WHAT to do. SHOULD do, is a different animal. Do you believe no one has the right to say you shouldn't steal, or lie, or commit a violent act? Do you believe that no one has the right to say you shouldn't sell your soul to play a game? We learn right from wrong, by our parents telling us what we SHOULD or SHOULD NOT do. BLM is a Marxist organization. The players are supporting criminals as they whine about police brutality. Drew has chosen willful ignorance in order to maintain his place on a football team. I have every right to say he should not have done that. Just like anyone would have the right to say it about me, if I did the same. iceshack149, jnormand, Danno and 3 others like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Threaded Mode