Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report

gosaints1 · 10-03-2020, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Perhaps neither Baun or Ellis aren't up enough on the defense to be effective. Both young and no OTA's or minicamp.

Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.

jnormand · 10-03-2020, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.

Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it.

gosaints1 · 10-03-2020, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it.

I think he was more of a ST player, seems to be the norm for Payton’s rookies. But, he did have 3 starts last year, can’t really tell you if ultimately wound up on IR.

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2020, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.

Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better.

gosaints1 · 10-04-2020, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better.

Agreed, and fully understand. Whether “it has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game” is an excuse or a reason, is another argument to be had, lol. When you do get the opportunity to showcase your talent, it’s always best to start off on the right foot. It tends to quiet down any naysaying that might be happening.

Here’s hoping the young man gets on the same sheet of music as everyone else very soon. Defense is going to need everybody’s full attention, every snap of every game.

jeanpierre · 10-04-2020, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better.

So when do they get the experience? If you believe in them, drafted them, or signed them, play them! Let them grow and do your job and coach them...

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2020, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

So when do they get the experience? If you believe in them, drafted them, or signed them, play them! Let them grow and do your job and coach them...

How about playing them for more than two or three snaps a game to start with. LOL! That's Dennis Allen's call. Maybe Nolan would have had him more ready.

jeanpierre · 10-04-2020, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How about playing them for more than two or three snaps a game to start with. LOL! That's Dennis Allen's call. Maybe Nolan would have had him more ready.

Considering all the HOF LBers who have Mike Nolan's name attached to their resumes, I'm gonna geaux with glass half full on that Maybe...

gosaints1 · 10-04-2020, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Considering all the HOF LBers who have Mike Nolan's name attached to their resumes, I'm gonna geaux with glass half full on that Maybe...

Nolan may very well have been one heckuva position coach. But, A good argument can be made that he wasn’t responsible for any of those HOF’ers, they were going to be HOF’ers even if Daffy Duck was their position coach. It’s entirely possible I’m minimizing his impact on their careers though, to be fair. I just think special athletes (HOF types) arrive special, day one and get better as their confidence grows. As far as him being a defensive coordinator, great goobly moobly, just look at his current defense, it’s one of the worst defenses I’ve ever seen in my entire life. He may not make it through this season, rumors are already starting in Big D, and we know JJ will can a coach in an instant if he feels the replacement is better. And, imho, Daffy Duck would be better running the D in Big D right now.

jeanpierre · 10-04-2020, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Nolan may very well have been one heckuva position coach. But, A good argument can be made that he wasn’t responsible for any of those HOF’ers, they were going to be HOF’ers even if Daffy Duck was their position coach. It’s entirely possible I’m minimizing his impact on their careers though, to be fair. I just think special athletes (HOF types) arrive special, day one and get better as their confidence grows. As far as him being a defensive coordinator, great goobly moobly, just look at his current defense, it’s one of the worst defenses I’ve ever seen in my entire life. He may not make it through this season, rumors are already starting in Big D, and we know JJ will can a coach in an instant if he feels the replacement is better. And, imho, Daffy Duck would be better running the D in Big D right now.

Seen enough to know Mike Nolan is invaluable; look Jerruh's Big D is as dysfunctional as it is; good coaches hired and are constantly dealing with an owner, son who have a "special relationship with their players"...

That translates to a lot of confusion for players and the chain of command; they end up ignoring, respecting coaches as they'll only listen to the guy signing the checks...

You can even make a converse argument that Dennis Allen, Saints LBers have regressed without Mike Nolan here in the short time he's been gone with that logic; but it's too soon for all except maybe DA...

10-03-2020, 08:29 AM	#1
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Perhaps neither Baun or Ellis aren't up enough on the defense to be effective. Both young and no OTA's or minicamp. Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.
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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,769	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by gosaints1 Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed. Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it. gosaints1 likes this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by jnormand Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it. I think he was more of a ST player, seems to be the norm for Payton’s rookies. But, he did have 3 starts last year, can’t really tell you if ultimately wound up on IR. jnormand likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by gosaints1 Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed. Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better. gosaints1 likes this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better. Agreed, and fully understand. Whether “it has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game” is an excuse or a reason, is another argument to be had, lol. When you do get the opportunity to showcase your talent, it’s always best to start off on the right foot. It tends to quiet down any naysaying that might be happening. Here’s hoping the young man gets on the same sheet of music as everyone else very soon. Defense is going to need everybody’s full attention, every snap of every game.
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10-04-2020, 09:21 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better. *So when do they get the experience? If you believe in them, drafted them, or signed them, play them! Let them grow and do your job* and coach them...** Rueben Mayes, gosaints1 and Rell&Gold like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by jeanpierre *So when do they get the experience? If you believe in them, drafted them, or signed them, play them! Let them grow and do your job* and coach them...** How about playing them for more than two or three snaps a game to start with. LOL! That's Dennis Allen's call. Maybe Nolan would have had him more ready.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How about playing them for more than two or three snaps a game to start with. LOL! That's Dennis Allen's call. Maybe Nolan would have had him more ready. *Considering all the HOF LBers who have Mike Nolan's name attached to their resumes, I'm gonna geaux with glass half full on that Maybe...* gosaints1 and K Major like this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by jeanpierre *Considering all the HOF LBers who have Mike Nolan's name attached to their resumes, I'm gonna geaux with glass half full on that Maybe...* Nolan may very well have been one heckuva position coach. But, A good argument can be made that he wasn’t responsible for any of those HOF’ers, they were going to be HOF’ers even if Daffy Duck was their position coach. It’s entirely possible I’m minimizing his impact on their careers though, to be fair. I just think special athletes (HOF types) arrive special, day one and get better as their confidence grows. As far as him being a defensive coordinator, great goobly moobly, just look at his current defense, it’s one of the worst defenses I’ve ever seen in my entire life. He may not make it through this season, rumors are already starting in Big D, and we know JJ will can a coach in an instant if he feels the replacement is better. And, imho, Daffy Duck would be better running the D in Big D right now.
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10-04-2020, 09:28 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by gosaints1 Nolan may very well have been one heckuva position coach. But, A good argument can be made that he wasn’t responsible for any of those HOF’ers, they were going to be HOF’ers even if Daffy Duck was their position coach. It’s entirely possible I’m minimizing his impact on their careers though, to be fair. I just think special athletes (HOF types) arrive special, day one and get better as their confidence grows. As far as him being a defensive coordinator, great goobly moobly, just look at his current defense, it’s one of the worst defenses I’ve ever seen in my entire life. He may not make it through this season, rumors are already starting in Big D, and we know JJ will can a coach in an instant if he feels the replacement is better. And, imho, Daffy Duck would be better running the D in Big D right now. Seen enough to know Mike Nolan is invaluable; look Jerruh's Big D is as dysfunctional as it is; good coaches hired and are constantly dealing with an owner, son who have a "special relationship with their players"... That translates to a lot of confusion for players and the chain of command; they end up ignoring, respecting coaches as they'll only listen to the guy signing the checks... You can even make a converse argument that Dennis Allen, Saints LBers have regressed without Mike Nolan here in the short time he's been gone with that logic; but it's too soon for all except maybe DA... gosaints1 likes this.
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