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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by blackangold Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to. Lol Here you go- ...

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Old 12-29-2020, 06:55 AM   #51
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Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles

Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to.

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Here you go- multiple teams and head coaches talking about using PFF. Also worth noting all 32 pro teams and 80+ College teams use the data for scouting and player insight. Wow, that took all of 30 seconds to find... https://www.pff.com/team-services

For the record, I don’t care about Alex and would rather see Baun get a shot. However, so many of you are delusional in thinking Kwon was this amazing player and our D will suck without him.... wake up.

I addressed the facts that led to Alex being benched. You sent me a link that used quotes from a "NFL Coach"... Ha! That's about as definitive as a "Source at the White House". Show me a video of an NFL Head Coach saying player X's PFF grades are low so we're addressing it with him. It doesn't happen. And by the way, scouts use a mountain of data including new technology to try to gain an edge. PFF is probably a part of it, but in no way the definitive source for information.

You're also mistaken in calling members here delusional. I haven't read a single post referring to Kwon as "amazing", in fact many have cited his missed tackles and over-aggressive play as potential problems. I haven't read a single post saying "our D will suck without him"... That's

Again - when a benched player who had fallen out of favor is forced back into a starting role for the playoffs, people who wonder if he'll be a liability are justified.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:25 AM   #52
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The minute Kwon arrived, Demario got faster & as coach stated, he was the "fit" they were missing at LB. Constantly freeing up Ceedy/Davis because of his versatility in coverage.

Was he a "perfect" LB? Naw, had his shared of missed assignments/tackles like any one else however he impacted the game completely differently than Anzalone. Guys fed off that energy.

No one on this board is bashing Anzalone but the Saints were looking to get faster. A sideline to sideline dawg. He'll be missed.

Some put way too much emphasis on PFF ratings & individual grades. Trust what you see on Sundays.

It's time for Alex to show up and show out in the post season.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:52 AM   #53
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Where I personally feel Alex is better than Kwon is run defense. Where it's obvious Alex is not (by far) is in coverage. While Kwon is not perfect, it can be said Anzalone is borderline liability in coverage.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:53 AM   #54
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It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT.

I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough.

I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs.
PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job.

Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES.

If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:57 AM   #55
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The minute Kwon arrived, Demario got faster & as coach stated, he was the "fit" they were missing at LB. Constantly freeing up Ceedy/Davis because of his versatility in coverage.

Was he a "perfect" LB? Naw, had his shared of missed assignments/tackles like any one else however he impacted the game completely differently than Anzalone. Guys fed off that energy.

No one on this board is bashing Anzalone but the Saints were looking to get faster. A sideline to sideline dawg. He'll be missed.

Some put way too much emphasis on PFF ratings & individual grades. Trust what you see on Sundays.

It's time for Alex to show up and show out in the post season.
I beg to differ. There has been quite a bit of Anzalone bashing taking place. I don't know what else you'd call it.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:22 AM   #56
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I beg to differ. There has been quite a bit of Anzalone bashing taking place. I don't know what else you'd call it.

Coaches went out and made a trade, subsequent demotion for Alex to special teams for a reason AG. Criticism of a 3rd year player under performing in the same defense is warranted.

He needs to perform at a high level as we enter the playoffs as do the rest of his team mates on defense. Smart offensive coordinators already know where they will attack a "weakness".

Good luck to Anzalone in the post season. He'll need it.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:33 AM   #57
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Coaches went out and made a trade, subsequent demotion for Alex to special teams for a reason AG. Criticism of a 3rd year player under performing in the same defense is warranted.

He needs to perform at a high level as we enter the playoffs as do the rest of his team mates on defense. Smart offensive coordinators already know where they will attack a "weakness".

Good luck to Anzalone in the post season. He'll need it.
Those same coaches that have been raked over the coals for decisions in the past. What I'm saying is the "woe be us" dialog is a bit over the top. Alexander had his strengths. He also had his weaknesses. Perhaps those weaknesses helped lead to two of our four losses.

Let's just say that I am far less concerned with our defense than some others with the loss of Alexander.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:33 AM   #58
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We got it coach.

Moving on to Carolina ...
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I addressed the facts that led to Alex being benched. You sent me a link that used quotes from a "NFL Coach"... Ha! That's about as definitive as a "Source at the White House". Show me a video of an NFL Head Coach saying player X's PFF grades are low so we're addressing it with him. It doesn't happen. And by the way, scouts use a mountain of data including new technology to try to gain an edge. PFF is probably a part of it, but in no way the definitive source for information.

You're also mistaken in calling members here delusional. I haven't read a single post referring to Kwon as "amazing", in fact many have cited his missed tackles and over-aggressive play as potential problems. I haven't read a single post saying "our D will suck without him"... That's

Again - when a benched player who had fallen out of favor is forced back into a starting role for the playoffs, people who wonder if he'll be a liability are justified.
It quotes Mike Holmgren and 2 others directly, but I never would use it alone, it's 1 interesting tool.

Members here are delusional... look no further than AG and YOU

There are folks on here proclaiming the end of our D, you'll find them if you look.
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:35 PM   #60
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It quotes Mike Holmgren and 2 others directly, but I never would use it alone, it's 1 interesting tool.

Members here are delusional... look no further than AG and YOU

There are folks on here proclaiming the end of our D, you'll find them if you look.
If delusional means I am completely confident that we have the best team in the NFL and will absolutely win our second Lombardi, yes I plead guilty. If my believing that losing Alexander is not going to have a material effect on our achieving those goals, then color me delusional.
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