Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles

Rugby Saint II · 12-29-2020, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If delusional means I am completely confident that we have the best team in the NFL and will absolutely win our second Lombardi, yes I plead guilty. If my believing that losing Alexander is not going to have a material effect on our achieving those goals, then color me delusional.

DELUSIONAL! Just kidding Guido. You're a die hard fan.....who is a little delusional now and then. It's OK. We all do that. It's why race horses wear blinders.

WhoDat!656 · 12-29-2020, 01:50 PM

Saints to lose 2021 draft pick in Kwon Alexander trade

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...id=hplocalnews

turbo_dog · 12-29-2020, 04:11 PM

I'm a little late, but when I heard this news my heart SUNK! THIS IS A HUGE LOSS! We finally had speed and situational awareness from a second linebacker on the field. As someone said, he was a missing piece that really made the whole unit better. I've been so excited watching him since he joined. I see his cousin must have joined this message board, LOL. That's the only way I can rationalize that level of defending.

AsylumGuido · 12-29-2020, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

I'm a little late, but when I heard this news my heart SUNK! THIS IS A HUGE LOSS! We finally had speed and situational awareness from a second linebacker on the field. As someone said, he was a missing piece that really made the whole unit better. I've been so excited watching him since he joined. I see his cousin must have joined this message board, LOL. That's the only way I can rationalize that level of defending.

Situational awareness? Alexander is primarily a great athlete. By no means is he situationally guided in his play. He does his best freelancing.

st thomas · 12-29-2020, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I beg to differ. There has been quite a bit of Anzalone bashing taking place. I don't know what else you'd call it.

Hell yes , I called him out for 2 years. Oft injured same injury he had at Florida he’s a back up and it’s how he plays. Slow, gets caught up in traffic often, he does get in on tackles after substantial gains , that’s my grade , that ain’t nothing to worry about though, I’m no expert.

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saintsfan1976 · 12-29-2020, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

It quotes Mike Holmgren and 2 others directly, but I never would use it alone, it's 1 interesting tool.

Members here are delusional... look no further than AG and YOU

There are folks on here proclaiming the end of our D, you'll find them if you look.

Mike Holmgren? LOL. Does he even use the internet??

saintsfan1976 · 12-29-2020, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job.

Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES.

If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all.

I actually pointed out where I felt Alex was better than Kwon. How’s that implying he shouldn’t be on this team? We’ll all find out soon enough!

jeanpierre · 12-30-2020, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We just aren’t meant to have great LB’s. That’s why Demario Davis has been such a blessing.

Well, we once had the greatest LB corps of all time; maybe this is just yen yang law, natural balance?

jeanpierre · 12-30-2020, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Wait a minute, is the grade for Kwon you're citing the whole season? for when he joined the Saints? or his grade once coaches replaced Anzalone with Kwon?

Again, that last point - the Saints coaches traded, replaced Anzalone with Kwon - that kinda makes this discussion who was better for the defense moot...

And haven't seen anyone saying we're done or we're through, many of us are just calling BS on the position that it's no big deal losing Kwon when among the multitude of arguments against that fallacy,

Saints traded for Kwon and replaced Anzalone with Kwon tells you who the ones who really know think of Anzalone vs Kwon...

And, for what it's worth, there's no one who wants to see Anzalone rebound more than many of us in this discussion...

Then there's the reality Anzalone, finally healthy, seems stunted from his missed time...

jeanpierre · 12-30-2020, 02:31 AM

12-29-2020, 12:40 PM	#61
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,720	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If delusional means I am completely confident that we have the best team in the NFL and will absolutely win our second Lombardi, yes I plead guilty. If my believing that losing Alexander is not going to have a material effect on our achieving those goals, then color me delusional. DELUSIONAL! Just kidding Guido. You're a die hard fan.....who is a little delusional now and then. It's OK. We all do that. It's why race horses wear blinders.

12-29-2020, 01:50 PM	#62
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12-29-2020, 04:11 PM	#63
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,540	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles I'm a little late, but when I heard this news my heart SUNK! THIS IS A HUGE LOSS! We finally had speed and situational awareness from a second linebacker on the field. As someone said, he was a missing piece that really made the whole unit better. I've been so excited watching him since he joined. I see his cousin must have joined this message board, LOL. That's the only way I can rationalize that level of defending.

12-29-2020, 05:05 PM	#64
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by turbo_dog I'm a little late, but when I heard this news my heart SUNK! THIS IS A HUGE LOSS! We finally had speed and situational awareness from a second linebacker on the field. As someone said, he was a missing piece that really made the whole unit better. I've been so excited watching him since he joined. I see his cousin must have joined this message board, LOL. That's the only way I can rationalize that level of defending. Situational awareness? Alexander is primarily a great athlete. By no means is he situationally guided in his play. He does his best freelancing.

12-29-2020, 08:20 PM	#65
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I beg to differ. There has been quite a bit of Anzalone bashing taking place. I don't know what else you'd call it. Hell yes , I called him out for 2 years. Oft injured same injury he had at Florida he’s a back up and it’s how he plays. Slow, gets caught up in traffic often, he does get in on tackles after substantial gains , that’s my grade , that ain’t nothing to worry about though, I’m no expert. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk saintsfan1976 likes this.

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12-29-2020, 08:54 PM	#66
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold It quotes Mike Holmgren and 2 others directly, but I never would use it alone, it's 1 interesting tool. Members here are delusional... look no further than AG and YOU There are folks on here proclaiming the end of our D, you'll find them if you look. Mike Holmgren? LOL. Does he even use the internet??

12-29-2020, 09:00 PM	#67
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job. Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES. If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all. I actually pointed out where I felt Alex was better than Kwon. How’s that implying he shouldn’t be on this team? We’ll all find out soon enough! K Major likes this.

12-30-2020, 02:22 AM	#68
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We just aren’t meant to have great LB’s. That’s why Demario Davis has been such a blessing. Well, we once had the greatest LB corps of all time; maybe this is just yen yang law, natural balance? K Major likes this.

12-30-2020, 02:29 AM	#69
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Wait a minute, is the grade for Kwon you're citing the whole season? for when he joined the Saints? or his grade once coaches replaced Anzalone with Kwon? Again, that last point - the Saints coaches traded, replaced Anzalone with Kwon - that kinda makes this discussion who was better for the defense moot... And haven't seen anyone saying we're done or we're through, many of us are just calling BS on the position that it's no big deal losing Kwon when among the multitude of arguments against that fallacy, Saints traded for Kwon and replaced Anzalone with Kwon tells you who the ones who really know think of Anzalone vs Kwon... And, for what it's worth, there's no one who wants to see Anzalone rebound more than many of us in this discussion... Then there's the reality Anzalone, finally healthy, seems stunted from his missed time... saintsfan1976, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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