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saintfan 12-29-2021 10:08 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940034)
Lol,

C'mon, guys, Ruiz is an awful lineman. Are we watching the same player?? His entire body of work in 2021 was bad. This off-season, you bring in guys and try to replace (upgrade) him. I wouldn't rule out drafting a guard in the mid-rounds. See Nicks, Evans, McKoy (late 2nd).

To say this guy is about as healthy as you can get, makes me think of how little contact he is making with opponents on a weekly basis. He's not plowing anyone, no lower body strength. Just a bunch of "whiffs".

Drafting Ruiz in the first was an absolute reach.
Was it Tripplet who said after the game we had "a couple guys blocking air"? I believe Ruiz was one and one of these 'off the street' linemen was the other.

Look, things do happen, but you can't block air at this level. If you're 'blocking air' you don't belong up here.

:bng:

jeanpierre 12-29-2021 10:10 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 939503)
Ruiz is in year 2, however, he's starting to look like a reach in the 1st round. He's losing a lot of one on one battles ... all season long.

Wouldn't surprise me to see the Saints go for another O lineman in the 2022 draft. IMO we need better backups as well.
Only backups I'd keep are Throckmartin, Clapp, and Young (if they don't move him to RT)...

Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...

Have been critical of Armstead's availability vs cap number; funny, it's Ramczyk who's earned first team All Pro, but Armstead gets called All-Pro for a 2nd team recognition...

Armstead had gotten back to missing certain matchups, and with his age, it's time to let Ramczyk be the anchor at Left Tackle...

I'd only keep McCoy, the rest of the starters I'd move for sign and trade cap relief moves, taking Day 3 picks compensation...

It was a mistake to let Sanders go; great value on a WRz cap number; instead of depending on a high a draft pick, rather have a proven veteran opposite @CantGuardMike...

This pushes Ty Montgomery, No.1 and Harris into your 3, 4 and 5 slots, and the remaining talent to compete for that sixth spot...

TreQuan is garbage, let him walk; draft some new WR candidates with Day 2, Day 3 draft picks, likely two new faces with the veteran FA WRz...

K Major 12-29-2021 10:14 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 940040)
Was it Tripplet who said after the game we had "a couple guys blocking air"? I believe Ruiz was one and one of these 'off the street' linemen was the other.

Look, things do happen, but you can't block air at this level. If you're 'blocking air' you don't belong up here.

:bng:
Facts.

Yes, you would be correct. Blocking air is a nice term but I like to refer to them as "whiffs". A "whiff" got our Hall of Famer seriously injured. A "whiff" also got Trevor leveled vs Tampa. And we all saw what happened to Ian.

You said it though, at this level of player ... that cannot happen.

The thing with Ruiz though is that he's a repeat offender. Unacceptable productivity from a former 1st rounder.

K Major 12-29-2021 10:29 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940041)
Only backups I'd keep are Throckmartin, Clapp, and Young (if they don't move him to RT)...

Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...

Have been critical of Armstead's availability vs cap number; funny, it's Ramczyk who's earned first team All Pro, but Armstead gets called All-Pro for a 2nd team recognition...

Armstead had gotten back to missing certain matchups, and with his age, it's time to let Ramczyk be the anchor at Left Tackle...

I'd only keep McCoy, the rest of the starters I'd move for sign and trade cap relief moves, taking Day 3 picks compensation...

It was a mistake to let Sanders go; great value on a WRz cap number; instead of depending on a high a draft pick, rather have a proven veteran opposite @CantGuardMike...

This pushes Ty Montgomery, No.1 and Harris into your 3, 4 and 5 slots, and the remaining talent to compete for that sixth spot...

TreQuan is garbage, let him walk; draft some new WR candidates with Day 2, Day 3 draft picks, likely two new faces with the veteran FA WRz...
Agreed.

Saints must get that O-line together this off-season. Via Free agency and/or draft. Our backups have been suspect. Turnstyle play isn't going to cut it.

As for the WR "situation", I've been beating a dead horse on this subject for years now. I wanted Emmanuel on this team (before he signed with San Fran) 4 seasons ago. With Mike T out, we have no route runners on the roster. Guys aren't open because they lack the separation/route ability.

I'm still adamant about going after a young dawg in the 2022 draft ... early on. Last season I was a bit critical of Cincy (they went Free agency for a lineman) taking Chase with their 1st overall selection instead of an O-lineman, however, it's looking like WR was the right move. He's a dawg & helping them win games. Maybe the Saints do the same next season?

As far as Trequan goes, still inconsistent (year 3) & does his weekly disappearing act in meaningful games. Callaway has outshined him and is becoming a legit #3.

Yeah, I'm with you. Let someone else pay Smith next season.

ChrisXVI 12-29-2021 10:33 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940041)
Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...
Whaaat?! Gotta disagree with you there brother. Hurst is the least of our problems. $3 mil/year for a guy who can competently play four O-Line spots? That’s an excellent depth piece. Far and away better player than Throckmorton and Clapp.

FinSaint 12-29-2021 01:23 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940042)
The thing with Ruiz though is that he's a repeat offender. Unacceptable productivity from a former 1st rounder.

So, maybe the coaching is partly to blame if he keeps doing the same mistakes over and over again while still keeping his spot as a starter?!

He was a good player for Michigan, so what happened?

I remember the verdict being that he was a 1st round talent, but a weird pick for the Saints as they had no need for another center - maybe simply the BPA on the Saints board.

K Major 12-29-2021 01:34 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 940063)
So, maybe the coaching is partly to blame if he keeps doing the same mistakes over and over again while still keeping his spot as a starter?!

He was a good player for Michigan, so what happened?

I remember the verdict being that he was a 1st round talent, but a weird pick for the Saints as they had no need for another center - maybe simply the BPA on the Saints board.
Michigan produces great tackles. Interior lineman? ... not so much.

Did you notice his play on Monday? He's looking to block the centers assignment instead of his own (guard). Chris mentioned it in the game day chat but he appears to be confused. Stop looking left <--- while playing guard.

Having studs on his left and right (TA & Ramz) masked his weakness but he's lost. Not just this year either. You can't have these repeated pass protection letdowns. I don't see any other 1st round interior lineman struggling like he is.

Ruiz is going to get another QB seriously injured.

Saints swung and missed on this one. Selecting a guy who played center his whole life and drafting him to be a guard makes no sense.

Lord_Saint83 12-29-2021 02:14 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 940041)
Only backups I'd keep are Throckmartin, Clapp, and Young (if they don't move him to RT)...

Hurst is garbage - can't get movement on the inside, can defend the edge, and for FA money? No this isn't working...

Have been critical of Armstead's availability vs cap number; funny, it's Ramczyk who's earned first team All Pro, but Armstead gets called All-Pro for a 2nd team recognition...

Armstead had gotten back to missing certain matchups, and with his age, it's time to let Ramczyk be the anchor at Left Tackle...

I'd only keep McCoy, the rest of the starters I'd move for sign and trade cap relief moves, taking Day 3 picks compensation...

It was a mistake to let Sanders go; great value on a WRz cap number; instead of depending on a high a draft pick, rather have a proven veteran opposite @CantGuardMike...

This pushes Ty Montgomery, No.1 and Harris into your 3, 4 and 5 slots, and the remaining talent to compete for that sixth spot...

TreQuan is garbage, let him walk; draft some new WR candidates with Day 2, Day 3 draft picks, likely two new faces with the veteran FA WRz...


I agree with you JP on everything except with Hurst. Hurst is solid in my eyes. He won’t wow you but he’s steady Eddie. Throckmorton’s below average but better than Ruiz though but not by much. He misses a good bit too on blocks.

FinSaint 12-29-2021 02:31 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 940065)
Michigan produces great tackles. Interior lineman? ... not so much.



Did you notice his play on Monday? He's looking to block the centers assignment instead of his own (guard). Chris mentioned it in the game day chat but he appears to be confused. Stop looking left <--- while playing guard.



Having studs on his left and right (TA & Ramz) masked his weakness but he's lost. Not just this year either. You can't have these repeated pass protection letdowns. I don't see any other 1st round interior lineman struggling like he is.



Ruiz is going to get another QB seriously injured.



Saints swung and missed on this one. Selecting a guy who played center his whole life and drafting him to be a guard makes no sense.
To be fair, I remember SP stating post-draft that he was picked to be a center and the idea was to move McCoy to guard.

At least that is how I recall it...

I've noticed his mistakes, like everybody watching the games have, but I still hold on hope for there being a chance of redemption with him.

Some guys blossom late, so maybe Ruiz is one of those guys.

AsylumGuido 12-29-2021 03:35 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 940072)
To be fair, I remember SP stating post-draft that he was picked to be a center and the idea was to move McCoy to guard.

At least that is how I recall it...

I've noticed his mistakes, like everybody watching the games have, but I still hold on hope for there being a chance of redemption with him.

Some guys blossom late, so maybe Ruiz is one of those guys.
Some degree of continuity on the line could work wonders with the blooming. It's got to be difficult when the guys on either side of him have to wear "Hello My Name Is" name tags.


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