Looks like it could happen?

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 01:29 PM

I don't recall Troy Aikman being known for his arm strength. But like I said in another post, Leinart's arm strength is compared to Peyton Manning's. wow, that would suck.

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 01:32 PM

You know.....if you really want a QB.....so be it. If we really have to pick one...I feel more comfortable with Cutler.

Who was the QB before Aikman?

LivnaLieTimay · 02-23-2006, 01:34 PM

Hey FJ, Danny White was the cowboys qb before Aikman. He wasn't bad himself. He retired the year Aikman was drafted. Anyways, Like Whodi said, Aikman never had a huge arm, he was very accuarate and smart. Sounds like Leinart if you ask me. Also, Leinart's arm isn't weak, he may not have a Brett Favre arm but it isn't chad pennington either

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 01:36 PM

Never mind...I found a roster sheet.. Do you guys remember how awesome Kevin Sweeney and Steve Pueller were? I am sure they were 100 times better than Brooks.... CAN YOU BLAME JJ FOR PICKING AIKAMN FIRST?!? The deal there was that Dallas had ABSOLUTELY nobody at the helm. Now (here we go again) Brooks is not the greatest...but he can definitely hold his own a lot better than those 2 extremely popular quarterbacks.

LivnaLieTimay · 02-23-2006, 01:41 PM

Those were the 2 guys backing up Aikman after White left. In '88 Danny White was the qb. He didn't say he was retiring until he found out Jimmy Johnson was the coach and was going to draft a young franchise qb.

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 02:00 PM

Still...point made.....when JJ showed up....he had...NOBODY at the helm. That is not really the case here.

BlackandBlue · 02-23-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified)

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL

I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore.

haha

All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time.

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified)

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL

I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore.

haha

All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time.

Well, Mike McCarthy was Brooks' biggest fan, so maybe they were dumbing it down but not announcing it like they did when Shepherd took over. Let's not forget, before the hurricane, everyone was trying to justify why they still had jobs last year, and it seemed like Haz wanted to make the regression of the offense look like McCarthy's fault since he was no longer here. Turley mayhave seen that when he was here, we may have not been privy to that info though, cause at the time the team had so much love for Brooks.

BlackandBlue · 02-23-2006, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified)

LOL

Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of ****

Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL

I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore.

haha

All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time.

Well, Mike McCarthy was Brooks' biggest fan, so maybe they were dumbing it down but not announcing it like they did when Shepherd took over. Let's not forget, before the hurricane, everyone was trying to justify why they still had jobs last year, and it seemed like Haz wanted to make the regression of the offense look like McCarthy's fault since he was no longer here. Turley mayhave seen that when he was here, we may have not been privy to that info though, cause at the time the team had so much love for Brooks.

at the beginning of mccarthy's last season with the Saints was the first time I heard anything about dumbing down the playbook. if what you say is true, what would they hope to gain by holding off a few years, only to announce it when they did?

papz · 02-23-2006, 06:17 PM

Want to know another guy who supposely didn't have a strong enough arm when he was drafted?

Tom Brady

02-23-2006, 01:32 PM	#92
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	You know.....if you really want a QB.....so be it. If we really have to pick one...I feel more comfortable with Cutler. Who was the QB before Aikman?
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02-23-2006, 01:36 PM	#94
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Never mind...I found a roster sheet.. Do you guys remember how awesome Kevin Sweeney and Steve Pueller were? I am sure they were 100 times better than Brooks.... CAN YOU BLAME JJ FOR PICKING AIKAMN FIRST?!? The deal there was that Dallas had ABSOLUTELY nobody at the helm. Now (here we go again) Brooks is not the greatest...but he can definitely hold his own a lot better than those 2 extremely popular quarterbacks.
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02-23-2006, 02:00 PM	#96
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Still...point made.....when JJ showed up....he had...NOBODY at the helm. That is not really the case here.
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02-23-2006, 02:06 PM	#97
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified) LOL Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of **** Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore. haha All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time.
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

02-23-2006, 02:15 PM	#98
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified) LOL Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of **** Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore. haha All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time. Well, Mike McCarthy was Brooks' biggest fan, so maybe they were dumbing it down but not announcing it like they did when Shepherd took over. Let's not forget, before the hurricane, everyone was trying to justify why they still had jobs last year, and it seemed like Haz wanted to make the regression of the offense look like McCarthy's fault since he was no longer here. Turley mayhave seen that when he was here, we may have not been privy to that info though, cause at the time the team had so much love for Brooks.

02-23-2006, 01:29 PM	#91
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I don't recall Troy Aikman being known for his arm strength. But like I said in another post, Leinart's arm strength is compared to Peyton Manning's. wow, that would suck.

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02-23-2006, 01:34 PM	#93
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	Hey FJ, Danny White was the cowboys qb before Aikman. He wasn't bad himself. He retired the year Aikman was drafted. Anyways, Like Whodi said, Aikman never had a huge arm, he was very accuarate and smart. Sounds like Leinart if you ask me. Also, Leinart's arm isn't weak, he may not have a Brett Favre arm but it isn't chad pennington either

02-23-2006, 01:41 PM	#95
LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,494	Those were the 2 guys backing up Aikman after White left. In '88 Danny White was the qb. He didn't say he was retiring until he found out Jimmy Johnson was the coach and was going to draft a young franchise qb.

02-23-2006, 05:38 PM	#99
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Kyle Turley was the most vocal about it on 106.7 "the End" radio right before he was traded. He went so far as to say that Brooks could care less about winning, because: he didn't study game film, spent more time partying than learning the playbook (even after it was simplified) LOL Trust me, I wanted AB gone a year ago, but please tell me you embelished, otherwise you're full of **** Embelished? Why you gotta' pull out the big words B&B? LOL I know it sounds crazy-Kyle Turley talking about someone else's partying habits. Actually, Brooks caught the lighter side of Turley's comments. Turley had a morning wake up call in the mornings when he was with the Saints from 106.7 "the End". This particular conversation came a couple of days before Turley was traded to the Rams (which probably had a lot to do with Turley's negative comments about the organization). He was more rabid about dissing Haslett & his coaching staff, not to mention owner Tom Benson. I've tried to Google this conversation, but since Hurricane Katrina, "the End" 106.7 radio doesn't exist anymore. haha All I was pointing out is that the timing is off. Turley hasn't played a game in a Saints' uniform since 2002. They really didn't start dumbing down the playbook, until just a few years ago. Turley wasn't on the team at that time. Well, Mike McCarthy was Brooks' biggest fan, so maybe they were dumbing it down but not announcing it like they did when Shepherd took over. Let's not forget, before the hurricane, everyone was trying to justify why they still had jobs last year, and it seemed like Haz wanted to make the regression of the offense look like McCarthy's fault since he was no longer here. Turley mayhave seen that when he was here, we may have not been privy to that info though, cause at the time the team had so much love for Brooks. at the beginning of mccarthy's last season with the Saints was the first time I heard anything about dumbing down the playbook. if what you say is true, what would they hope to gain by holding off a few years, only to announce it when they did?
	The waiting drove me mad.... I don't want to hear from those that know... Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed Eddie is a....draftnik?

02-23-2006, 06:17 PM	#100
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,682	Want to know another guy who supposely didn't have a strong enough arm when he was drafted? Tom Brady