Will we have a new HC?

canucksaint · 11-07-2003, 11:54 AM

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/te...a?OpenDocument
1996 11-5-0 1st -- AFC East 2-1 - Lost Superbowl, Coach Bill Parcells
1995 6-10-0 4th -- AFC East -- Bill Parcells
1994 10-6-0 2nd -- AFC East 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Bill Parcells
1993 5-11-0 4th -- AFC East -- Bill Parcells
1992 2-14-0 5th -- AFC East -- Dick MacPherson

Looks like Parcells walked into a 2-14 team. With in his second year going to the playoffs.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-07-2003, 12:02 PM

Looks like Parcells walked into a 2-14 team. With in his second year going to the playoffs.

Well, all Haslett needs to do this year is lose the Super Bowl and he\'ll have about the same resume --

canucksaint · 11-07-2003, 12:07 PM

Oh, way to go Billy. Now you\'ve Jinxed it. I am fully blamming you if we don\'t do well this year

saint5221 · 11-07-2003, 01:30 PM

I agree with BnB that the playoffs should be the standard by which Haslett keeps or loses his job. He has had enough time to build a winner and this is his team, without Randy around to help with the personel calls Jim will sink or swim with his boys.

After the rough start It looked like he was a goner for sure, but Haslett has done a very good job at keeping the team playing through tremendous adversity. Injuries aside, much of the adversity has been self inflicted, sloppy play,erratic play calling, drive killing penalities, too many mental errors that point to a lack of focus that is the responsibility of the man at the top. If he can pull off a playoff appearance from here he will have proved his worth emphaticly. If he falls short that will speak for itself as well.

It is still to early to tell about this team and its coach, there has been plenty of good and bad, as a fan I hope to see Haslett in black and gold for many years, that surely will mean he is succeding and the Saints with him.

WhoDat · 11-08-2003, 04:10 PM

Haslett has had enough time. We know that this team is loaded with talent and is underachieving (overall). If he does not make the playoffs this year, consider it a failure, and the coaching staff should be purged.

Couldn\'t have said it better myself. Haslett\'s coaches, Haslett\'s players, Haslett\'s systems, no locker room cancers, a WEAKER schedule this season. No excuses. That\'s what everyone but Billy was saying this preseason. Now, ten weeks later everyone is saying, \"well, uh, if they play well at the end of the season that\'s good enough for me.\" BS! Playoffs, or he should go. Even the \"experts\" mention that no team has underachieved more than the Saints in recent years - that\'s usually in the same sentence spouting some nugget about how dangerous we are right now. If he makes the playoffs he stays. Otherwise, he should go.

The reality of the situation is that 8-8 or even 7-9 will probably allow him to keep his job. That\'s a shame.

subguy · 11-08-2003, 06:35 PM

Hasletts time has come.........The coaching Grim Reaper is knocking on his door....he just hasn\'t answered it yet. He has had oodles of talent compared to other coaches at New Orleans. I think they should play Whack-A-Mole.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 07:07 AM

Now, ten weeks later everyone is saying, \"well, uh, if they play well at the end of the season that\'s good enough for me.\" BS! Playoffs, or he should go

WhoDat -- You say playoffs or show Haslett the door. Well, I can\'t find the logic in that and here\'s why. First of all, the Saints don\'t control their playoff destiny. So, Haslett could do a fine a coaching job as anyone in the NFL the rest of the way and go undefeated and still miss the playoffs. So, what you are really saying is that if the all the stars don\'t line up with regards to the other possible wild card teams to give the Saints an opportunity to make the playoffs, then Haslett should be fired.

The point is the Saints can miss the playoffs and it not be a result of the coaching and you know that. So, why don\'t you just admit that you want Haslett gone and you have for a while now?

WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 07:27 AM

Yeah, I do want him gone. He\'s squandered the most talent this team has ever had. If the Saints go undefeated the rest of the way out they WILL make the playoffs.

This is exactly what I\'m talking about. Everyone will believe the excuses... AGAIN. I realize Haslett is not going anywhere unless the Saints finish 6-10 or they manage to crawl back into the playoff race only to have another collapse. That\'s about the only thing that will cause Haslett to get fired. Maybe next season it will all come together for him. Hell, maybe it will this year. I\'m not saying I know all, but I\'ll be betting on a 9-7 Saints team who don\'t make the playoffs next year too. How long do we have to wait for this team, which is about as talented as any in the league, to be a playoff contender Billy? How long? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- · 11-10-2003, 07:42 AM

Yeah, I do want him gone.

Ok. At least you admit that. Which is why I don\'t understand your previous statement when you said Haslett should keep his job if the Saints make the playoffs. Would you like to retract that statement?

How long do we have to wait for this team, which is about as talented as any in the league, to be a playoff contender Billy?

You know WhoDat - There have been people in all aspects of life who didn\'t blossom as early as others. Yet, they went on to be some of the most successful people in their fields. Haslett might need to be fired. But, on the other hand he might go on to be the best coach the NFL has ever had. This 4-year time table that seems to be the measuring stick of coaches in NFL these days would have gotten rid of some coaches that have went on to be great coaches.

Contrary to belief, the Saints have not been one of the most talented teams in the NFL. Especially the defense. If you want to say the 2000 defense was great and they got rid of all the good players, then balam MUELLER, not HASLETT. I can\'t give you a date as to when you can definitely say Haslett should be fired. It\'s just not as clear cut to me as you are trying to make it sound. It could be the right decision and then again, it could be the wrong decision.

[Edited on 10/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

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WhoDat · 11-10-2003, 01:48 PM

This is his year to prove himself and make us all back into believers. That\'s why I said in preseason that he needs to make the playoffs to keep his job. That hasn\'t changed. Every single corporation in the world sets goals for its operations and it is up to those managers to deliver. Sure, the party line of every coach in the first week of the season is \"we\'re playing for a Super Bowl,\" but every team has real expectations. Do you think management of this organization set its sites on 7-9 this offseason? How about you Billy? Wasn\'t your expectation 12-4? When any person, player, coach, trash collector, doctor, you name it, falls short of the expected performance levels set forth by his employer, he gets fired. Haslett is no different.

Billy, you say that some of the greatest coaches in the history of this league started out with 4 bad years and then went on to greatness. Maybe, but few have squandered as much talent as the Saints have. Can you honestly say that there has been a more all-around talented team then this one or the one we had last year?

Find me a coach whose team didn\'t get better in his first four years and then went on to greatness in the last 20 years Billy. I don\'t care about guys from 20 years ago when you could still build a dynasty in the NFL, b/c that had more to do with players then coaches. Today, everyone is pretty evenly matched in the NFL. The difference between 7-9 and 10-6 is 20% players and 80% coaches - that becomes even greater when the coach has a big say in personnel moves, as ours does.

Say what you will about past teams and how we didn\'t have the right players, but I\'ll tell you this - with the exception of Joe Johnson and Albert Connell, pretty much every player the Saints have let go that contributed seriously to this team are starters somewhere else. If they\'re good enough to start on ther teams, most of which are very good teams as 08 continues to point out, then they are good enough to start for us. In 3.5 seasons as the head coach of the Saints, Jim Haslett has had enough talent to go to the playoffs every season, but so far he\'s only gotten there once. In my opinion, this team has enough talent to go to a Super Bowl. That\'s something I can\'t say a Saints team has ever had before. Playoff appearences in 2 out of 4 tries with a team good enough to fight for a Super Bowl is still underacheiving, but I\'d be willing to give Haslett one more try. 1 out of 4 is just too poor a showing.

You\'re a very loyal person Billy. That\'s a good thing, but it also seems to skew your perspective sometimes. If you\'re all for Haslett staying, then I won\'t tell you that you\'re wrong, I\'ll just keep asking how long will you continue to point the finger of blame at EVERYTHING and EVERYONE other than Haslett?

[Edited on 10/11/2003 by WhoDat]

11-07-2003, 11:54 AM	#21
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Will we have a new HC? http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/te...a?OpenDocument 1996 11-5-0 1st -- AFC East 2-1 - Lost Superbowl, Coach Bill Parcells 1995 6-10-0 4th -- AFC East -- Bill Parcells 1994 10-6-0 2nd -- AFC East 0-1 - Lost Wild Card Playoffs Bill Parcells 1993 5-11-0 4th -- AFC East -- Bill Parcells 1992 2-14-0 5th -- AFC East -- Dick MacPherson Looks like Parcells walked into a 2-14 team. With in his second year going to the playoffs.

11-07-2003, 12:02 PM	#22
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? Looks like Parcells walked into a 2-14 team. With in his second year going to the playoffs. Well, all Haslett needs to do this year is lose the Super Bowl and he\'ll have about the same resume --

11-07-2003, 12:07 PM	#23
canucksaint 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 227	Will we have a new HC? Oh, way to go Billy. Now you\'ve Jinxed it. I am fully blamming you if we don\'t do well this year

11-07-2003, 01:30 PM	#24
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598	Will we have a new HC? I agree with BnB that the playoffs should be the standard by which Haslett keeps or loses his job. He has had enough time to build a winner and this is his team, without Randy around to help with the personel calls Jim will sink or swim with his boys. After the rough start It looked like he was a goner for sure, but Haslett has done a very good job at keeping the team playing through tremendous adversity. Injuries aside, much of the adversity has been self inflicted, sloppy play,erratic play calling, drive killing penalities, too many mental errors that point to a lack of focus that is the responsibility of the man at the top. If he can pull off a playoff appearance from here he will have proved his worth emphaticly. If he falls short that will speak for itself as well. It is still to early to tell about this team and its coach, there has been plenty of good and bad, as a fan I hope to see Haslett in black and gold for many years, that surely will mean he is succeding and the Saints with him.
saint5221 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 598

11-08-2003, 04:10 PM	#25
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? Haslett has had enough time. We know that this team is loaded with talent and is underachieving (overall). If he does not make the playoffs this year, consider it a failure, and the coaching staff should be purged. Couldn\'t have said it better myself. Haslett\'s coaches, Haslett\'s players, Haslett\'s systems, no locker room cancers, a WEAKER schedule this season. No excuses. That\'s what everyone but Billy was saying this preseason. Now, ten weeks later everyone is saying, \"well, uh, if they play well at the end of the season that\'s good enough for me.\" BS! Playoffs, or he should go. Even the \"experts\" mention that no team has underachieved more than the Saints in recent years - that\'s usually in the same sentence spouting some nugget about how dangerous we are right now. If he makes the playoffs he stays. Otherwise, he should go. The reality of the situation is that 8-8 or even 7-9 will probably allow him to keep his job. That\'s a shame.
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11-08-2003, 06:35 PM	#26
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,057	Will we have a new HC? Hasletts time has come.........The coaching Grim Reaper is knocking on his door....he just hasn\'t answered it yet. He has had oodles of talent compared to other coaches at New Orleans. I think they should play Whack-A-Mole.

11-10-2003, 07:07 AM	#27
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? Now, ten weeks later everyone is saying, \"well, uh, if they play well at the end of the season that\'s good enough for me.\" BS! Playoffs, or he should go WhoDat -- You say playoffs or show Haslett the door. Well, I can\'t find the logic in that and here\'s why. First of all, the Saints don\'t control their playoff destiny. So, Haslett could do a fine a coaching job as anyone in the NFL the rest of the way and go undefeated and still miss the playoffs. So, what you are really saying is that if the all the stars don\'t line up with regards to the other possible wild card teams to give the Saints an opportunity to make the playoffs, then Haslett should be fired. The point is the Saints can miss the playoffs and it not be a result of the coaching and you know that. So, why don\'t you just admit that you want Haslett gone and you have for a while now?

11-10-2003, 07:27 AM	#28
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? Yeah, I do want him gone. He\'s squandered the most talent this team has ever had. If the Saints go undefeated the rest of the way out they WILL make the playoffs. This is exactly what I\'m talking about. Everyone will believe the excuses... AGAIN. I realize Haslett is not going anywhere unless the Saints finish 6-10 or they manage to crawl back into the playoff race only to have another collapse. That\'s about the only thing that will cause Haslett to get fired. Maybe next season it will all come together for him. Hell, maybe it will this year. I\'m not saying I know all, but I\'ll be betting on a 9-7 Saints team who don\'t make the playoffs next year too. How long do we have to wait for this team, which is about as talented as any in the league, to be a playoff contender Billy? How long? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

11-10-2003, 07:42 AM	#29
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs- Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 111	Will we have a new HC? Yeah, I do want him gone. Ok. At least you admit that. Which is why I don\'t understand your previous statement when you said Haslett should keep his job if the Saints make the playoffs. Would you like to retract that statement? How long do we have to wait for this team, which is about as talented as any in the league, to be a playoff contender Billy? You know WhoDat - There have been people in all aspects of life who didn\'t blossom as early as others. Yet, they went on to be some of the most successful people in their fields. Haslett might need to be fired. But, on the other hand he might go on to be the best coach the NFL has ever had. This 4-year time table that seems to be the measuring stick of coaches in NFL these days would have gotten rid of some coaches that have went on to be great coaches. Contrary to belief, the Saints have not been one of the most talented teams in the NFL. Especially the defense. If you want to say the 2000 defense was great and they got rid of all the good players, then balam MUELLER, not HASLETT. I can\'t give you a date as to when you can definitely say Haslett should be fired. It\'s just not as clear cut to me as you are trying to make it sound. It could be the right decision and then again, it could be the wrong decision. [Edited on 10/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-] [Edited on 10/11/2003 by ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs-]

11-10-2003, 01:48 PM	#30
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Will we have a new HC? This is his year to prove himself and make us all back into believers. That\'s why I said in preseason that he needs to make the playoffs to keep his job. That hasn\'t changed. Every single corporation in the world sets goals for its operations and it is up to those managers to deliver. Sure, the party line of every coach in the first week of the season is \"we\'re playing for a Super Bowl,\" but every team has real expectations. Do you think management of this organization set its sites on 7-9 this offseason? How about you Billy? Wasn\'t your expectation 12-4? When any person, player, coach, trash collector, doctor, you name it, falls short of the expected performance levels set forth by his employer, he gets fired. Haslett is no different. Billy, you say that some of the greatest coaches in the history of this league started out with 4 bad years and then went on to greatness. Maybe, but few have squandered as much talent as the Saints have. Can you honestly say that there has been a more all-around talented team then this one or the one we had last year? Find me a coach whose team didn\'t get better in his first four years and then went on to greatness in the last 20 years Billy. I don\'t care about guys from 20 years ago when you could still build a dynasty in the NFL, b/c that had more to do with players then coaches. Today, everyone is pretty evenly matched in the NFL. The difference between 7-9 and 10-6 is 20% players and 80% coaches - that becomes even greater when the coach has a big say in personnel moves, as ours does. Say what you will about past teams and how we didn\'t have the right players, but I\'ll tell you this - with the exception of Joe Johnson and Albert Connell, pretty much every player the Saints have let go that contributed seriously to this team are starters somewhere else. If they\'re good enough to start on ther teams, most of which are very good teams as 08 continues to point out, then they are good enough to start for us. In 3.5 seasons as the head coach of the Saints, Jim Haslett has had enough talent to go to the playoffs every season, but so far he\'s only gotten there once. In my opinion, this team has enough talent to go to a Super Bowl. That\'s something I can\'t say a Saints team has ever had before. Playoff appearences in 2 out of 4 tries with a team good enough to fight for a Super Bowl is still underacheiving, but I\'d be willing to give Haslett one more try. 1 out of 4 is just too poor a showing. You\'re a very loyal person Billy. That\'s a good thing, but it also seems to skew your perspective sometimes. If you\'re all for Haslett staying, then I won\'t tell you that you\'re wrong, I\'ll just keep asking how long will you continue to point the finger of blame at EVERYTHING and EVERYONE other than Haslett? [Edited on 10/11/2003 by WhoDat]
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"