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2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Well, isn't this just a quandry? We really can't say for sure until we hire a DC. Do we run a one gap or two gap 3-4? I'm sure some of both. Personnel, down ...

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Old 02-01-2013, 05:43 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II View Post
Well, isn't this just a quandry?
We really can't say for sure until we hire a DC. Do we run a one gap or two gap 3-4?
I'm sure some of both. Personnel, down and distance, match-ups etc will all factor into it.

I think (and I may be wrong) that most 3-4 coaches don't run only one version.

Both can be hugely successful.

I'm just excited about a change. We have more 3-4 talent on this team than 4-3 talent (assuming Vilma, Ellis and Smith are goners).
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I'm sure some of both. Personnel, down and distance, match-ups etc will all factor into it.

I think (and I may be wrong) that most 3-4 coaches don't run only one version.

Both can be hugely successful.

I'm just excited about a change. We have more 3-4 talent on this team than 4-3 talent (assuming Vilma, Ellis and Smith are goners).

Thanks for all of your efforts & leadership Vilma! As for those other two... stealing money and NEVER lived up to their 1st round statuses. It won't hurt my feelings one bit to see Smith and Ellis on different teams in 2013.
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Smith has been a good player for the Saints, so I wouldn't be so quick to throw him under the bus along with the much more deserving Mr. Ellis. It wasn't Smith's (or his agent's) fault that the Saints went and gave Charles Grant that big contract, which pretty much stipulated what Smith had to get when his contract was being renewed, so I would blame the organization more about the fact that Smith is being paid more than he is worth on the field. Smith can still be a productive player, I just don't see him fitting into any of the 3-4 positions with ease, and so I think that it would be in the best interest of both parties if he was cut and he found some other team to play for.

Still, I appreciate all that Smith has given to this team during his years with the Saints, and I do wish him the best of luck with his future career.

Oh, and stating that Smith never lived up to his 1st round status is just bull crap - he did a whole lot more than most 1st rounders for the team that selected him!

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Smith has been a good player for the Saints, so I wouldn't be so quick to throw him under the bus along with the much more deserving Mr. Ellis. It wasn't Smith's (or his agent's) fault that the Saints went and gave Charles Grant that big contract, which pretty much stipulated what Smith had to get when his contract was being renewed, so I would blame the organization more about the fact that Smith is being paid more than he is worth on the field. Smith can still be a productive player, I just don't see him fitting into any of the 3-4 positions with ease, and so I think that it would be in the best interest of both parties if he was cut and he found some other team to play for.

Still, I appreciate all that Smith has given to this team during his years with the Saints, and I do wish him the best of luck with his future career.

Oh, and stating that Smith never lived up to his 1st round status is just bull crap - he did a whole lot more than most 1st rounders for the team that selected him!

Well said Finn man!

Overpaid doesn't mean bust. It shouldn't be a factor in discussing how good or bad a player is. Smith is a good player, at times he's been great and other times not so much.

The compensation for his talents is another discussion completely. Just like Harper. Good player, grossly overpaid. Thomas Morstead, great punter, grossly overpaid. Jimmy Graham, great player, grossly underpaid.
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Well said Finn man!

Overpaid doesn't mean bust. It shouldn't be a factor in discussing how good or bad a player is. Smith is a good player, at times he's been great and other times not so much.

The compensation for his talents is another discussion completely. Just like Harper. Good player, grossly overpaid. Thomas Morstead, great punter, grossly overpaid. Jimmy Graham, great player, grossly underpaid.
LOL..Just couldn't help yourself could ya. Had to go throw Tommy in the mix.
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LOL..Just couldn't help yourself could ya. Had to go throw Tommy in the mix.
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Man you been beating on that dude since we drafted him. Now he is the best or 2nd best punter in the NFL. Time to cut the guy some slack.
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Man you been beating on that dude since we drafted him. Now he is the best or 2nd best punter in the NFL. Time to cut the guy some slack.
As long as people keep over-exaggerating the importance of a Punter I'll keep exposing them for the clueless idiots they are.

I have no problem with Morstead. I HAVE NOT BEEN BEATING ON MORSTEAD. He's an elite punter and I'm glad we have him... but he's still just a Punter.

And to this day no one has proven that its NOT the least important position in all of football, outside of longsnapper of course.

They're gaining on FB's, but still a step behind IMO.
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As long as people keep over-exaggerating the importance of a Punter I'll keep exposing them for the clueless idiots they are.

I have no problem with Morstead. I HAVE NOT BEEN BEATING ON MORSTEAD. He's an elite punter and I'm glad we have him... but he's still just a Punter.

And to this day no one has proven that its NOT the least important position in all of football, outside of longsnapper of course.


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The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.


Spoken like most everyone else about this issue.
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