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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna If she took two years off for each wouldn't that mean she only has 16 years in the company? Because if the company miraculously kept her own and let her have two years of maternity leave ...

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Old 09-12-2018, 11:20 AM   #61
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If she took two years off for each wouldn't that mean she only has 16 years in the company? Because if the company miraculously kept her own and let her have two years of maternity leave for each child instead of her leaving the company all together and then coming back she still would have gotten the raises just like everybody else right? I know maternity leave doesn't stop anybody from getting raises here in the hospital.
Yes sir... I’m on my phone so that “too Two” should have said lost two for each putting her total time with the company 4 years behind Bob.

Females do a lot of amazing things that we don’t. They focus on the family in most cases better than we ever will, they also tend to take a career break to tend to sick and or dying family members before we do. My wife has done both..
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:31 AM   #62
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Yes sir... I’m on my phone so that “too Two” should have said lost two for each putting her total time with the company 4 years behind Bob.

Females do a lot of amazing things that we don’t. They focus on the family in most cases better than we ever will, they also tend to take a career break to tend to sick and or dying family members before we do. My wife has done both..
This is understood. Yet, the numbers representing the gap are still significant when factoring things like this. It's real. It happens all the time and it is something that will take generation to solve. Ignoring the fact that is truly does exist is part of the problem.

My wife was several years into her career in nursing when we first met. We married and had two fine boys with her taking off six weeks each time. She lost no seniority due to the time off. Now 30 years further into her career, now as a malpractice claims adjuster with an RNC and reaching top production goals in her company she is likely still getting less than a male hired at the same time with even lessor qualifications.

Even if the company gives all employees the identical percentage raise it increases the pay differential of the two individuals. That's basic mathematics. This is another problem that needs to be addressed.
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:33 AM   #63
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Yes sir... I’m on my phone so that “too Two” should have said lost two for each putting her total time with the company 4 years behind Bob.

Females do a lot of amazing things that we don’t. They focus on the family in most cases better than we ever will, they also tend to take a career break to tend to sick and or dying family members before we do. My wife has done both..
I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day.
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Old 09-12-2018, 11:35 AM   #64
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I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day.
I agree, and yes another discussion. Many reasons why I would support this.
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I am not particularly well versed in this subject and even I know this to be false.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I cannot stop laughing at this post.

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This thread has gone sideways. Ya'll making my head hurt lol.
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Old 09-12-2018, 02:27 PM   #67
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I cannot stop laughing at this post.

There's a Darwin award winner there.
Good for you pal. I'm glad you found something to laugh about. Folks like you spend so much time being offended it's a wonder you manage to function apart from outrage. I've seen your posts and opinions on a variety of things and have gotten many good laughs as a result. I assure you, I'll be losing no sleep over what you think.
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I got you, but that's not the similar circumstances Guido is talking about. He's saying when both people really have 20 years in the company, same start date, didn't take extended time for maternity leave, and etc., there's still a gap. From what I've read, the gap shrinks when accounting for all these factors, but there's still a gap nonetheless. I feel like men should be given paid-maternity leave as well, but that's a different discussion for a different day.
I’m not in either camp I think the truth always rests between right and wrong, left and right. I see people argue left and right all day with neither being100% correct. I also know that there is no such thing as a statement that covers all situations but rather a potentially unique situation for every unique person on the planet. Yes women have been intentionally underpaid or not paid at all for centuries and yes there are still things that need to be done.

My point being that there is a lot of nuance that statistics don’t cover. I’ve been a hiring and talent manager.. This statement covers over 70% of the situations. When it comes to hiring compensation and performance based pay raises males are more aggressive generally than females.

For what it’s worth I agent worked at a company where pay raises were blanket except for the US ARMY, every where else I have been it’s been performance based.

For the record, any jackazz bigot Manager that will compensate more purely on gender need never manage people.

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I’m not in either camp I think the truth always rests between right and wrong, left and right. I see people argue left and right all day with neither being100% correct. I also know that there is no such thing as a statement that covers all situations but rather a potentially unique situation for every unique person on the planet. Yes women have been intentionally underpaid or not paid at all for centuries and yes there are still things that need to be done.

My point being that there is a lot of nuance that statistics don’t cover. I’ve been a hiring and talent manager.. This statement covers over 70% of the situations. When it comes to hiring compensation and performance based pay raises males are more aggressive generally than females.

For what it’s worth I agent worked at a company where pay raises were blanket except for the US ARMY, every where else I have been it’s been performance based.

For the record, any jackazz bigot Manager that will compensate more purely on gender need never manage people.
Go on ahead and preach that !!
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That is understood and a factor, of course. Yet, it is not enough to account for the 30% discrepancy in Louisiana (unsurprisingly the greatest of all fifty states) and the 20% nationally.

John and Susan, both unmarried and freshly out of college holding degrees in accounting, apply for employment at the same corporation. With all qualifications being equal Susan is offered a position starting at $35K per year. John is offered an equal position starting at $40K per year. The employer, from past experience, was correct in assuming that this would be acceptable salaries to the new applicants.

Tim and June, both with two school age children and a working spouse apply for jobs with the same corporation. Same qualifications. June has two less years of total work experience, but still has ample experience and is otherwise completely qualified for the required position. John is given a level three position while June is offered a position classified at level two. The difference between the two pay levels is $12K per year. Tim and Jane do the exact same work on a day to day basis.
Could it have something to do with the fact that June has two years less experience than Tim?

Susan, June, Jane, Tim, and John are all morons for not negotiating their initial pay rate.

Guy or girl the more money you make me the more money I give you.

If I hire you at $15 an hour and you take it that’s your bad because I probably would have given you $20.
I negotiated a salary last month and got 15k a year more for the job than I was offered. The WOMAN I was in negotiations with didn’t bat an eye.
Didn’t take the job but everything is negotiable if you have the qualifications.

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