Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one)

TheOak · 03-15-2013, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Asomugha?

Who wouldn't want to add him to their roster, you'd have to crazy not to want him!

I don't think it's a matter of if a team - i.e. the Saints - wants him or not, but rather if they can negotiate a contract with such a player that'll tilt the odds in favor of the team coming on top in the investment vs return equation.

Get past the brand name, watch the tape.

"All Kelly could say about Asomugha was, “I don’t have his group of plays, or how he played in Game 1 through the last game of the season,” then after more questions, “I think Nnamdi has the skill set (pause) that can play football.”
We all know that the former Oakland Raiders cornerback played horribly in 2012. He can no longer run with the faster receivers in the league, his quickness and change of direction are subpar and he seems indecisive when he comes up into the press technique, which used to be his strength. Bottomline, he’s no where near worth the the $15 million dollars they slated to pay him now."

Chip Kelly Speaks Well Of Foles And Ryans, But Not Asomugha | GCOBB.COM

FinSaint · 03-15-2013, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Get past the brand name, watch the tape.

"All Kelly could say about Asomugha was, “I don’t have his group of plays, or how he played in Game 1 through the last game of the season,” then after more questions, “I think Nnamdi has the skill set (pause) that can play football.”
We all know that the former Oakland Raiders cornerback played horribly in 2012. He can no longer run with the faster receivers in the league, his quickness and change of direction are subpar and he seems indecisive when he comes up into the press technique, which used to be his strength. Bottomline, he’s no where near worth the the $15 million dollars they slated to pay him now."

Chip Kelly Speaks Well Of Foles And Ryans, But Not Asomugha | GCOBB.COM

Yeah, but that's all relative...

he’s no where near worth the the $15 million dollars they slated to pay him now

None of his suitors at present are looking at his skill set and planning to pay him $15M/yr, but at $4-5M/yr his skill set suddenly looks a lot better.

RockyMountainSaint · 03-15-2013, 10:54 AM

Asomugha, Woodson in “serious discussions” with 49ers | ProFootballTalk

hagan714 · 03-15-2013, 11:00 AM

pass we need to get more than one player for the money he will want

NuNu318 · 03-15-2013, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

pass we need to get more than one player for the money he will want

No one even knows how much money he's asking for if he's already still going to get paid 4mil this season from the Eagles.

papz · 03-15-2013, 11:03 AM

And it wasn't just Asomugha who underachieved and overpaid on that roster, lots of players underperformed. DRC, Cullen Jenkins, Jason Babin, Trent Cole, etc. Not take to make excuses for those guys, but I'm sure the coaching and locker room played a part in all of them failing miserably. I'm sure a scouting report on a majority of their players on defense last year wouldn't be too favorable.

At a discounted rate, while there still would be plenty of risk involved, it could certainly be very worthwhile to kick the tires on a possible deal.

papz · 03-15-2013, 11:05 AM

True. What if the asking price is 2 million? Added on with the money the Eagles are paying him, that's still more than what DRC got from Denver and on average from what KC is playing Sean Smith. It's also still more than what we gave Lewis. He gets to re-unite with his former DC on a contending team... that could lead to nice multi year deal the upcoming offseason.

FinSaint · 03-15-2013, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by papz

True. What if the asking price is 2 million? Added on with the money the Eagles are paying him, that's still more than what DRC got from Denver and on average from what KC is playing Sean Smith. It's also still more than what we gave Lewis. He gets to re-unite with his former DC on a contending team... that could lead to nice multi year deal the upcoming offseason.

True, a 1-year contract like the one you proposed could be really good for him financially, since the market was/is flooded with quality CBs this offseason his market value wasn't/isn't as high as it could be f.e. next offseason.

TheOak · 03-15-2013, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

True, a 1-year contract like the one you proposed could be really good for him financially, since the market was/is flooded with quality CBs this offseason his market value wasn't/isn't as high as it could be f.e. next offseason.

He wants more than $4M.

Ill put his 2012 performance into perspective for you.

Patrick Robinson - 18 passes defended.
Nnamdi - 12 passes defended.....
2012 NFL Player Defense Stats - National Football League - ESPN

2011
Greer - 18
Nnamdi - 5

Look at his stats... Help me understand why he is so stellar in so many peoples eyes. if he is not an upgrade to Patrick Robinson why do we want him?

A cornerback is measured on the following correct?

Passes Defended
Interceptions
Possibly sacks?

Nnamdi Asomugha Stats - ESPN
Patrick Robinson Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN

2012 CB rankings
Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics
Greer and Robinson rank higher

2011 CB rankings
Porter, Robinson and Greer ranked higher
Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics

2010 CB rankings

Nnamdi doesn't even make the list but played 14 games
Porter and greer both on the list
Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics

2009 CB Rankings
Greer and Porter above him again
Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics

I must be missing something. For a first round draft pick his play seems underwhelming.

NuNu318 · 03-15-2013, 11:40 AM

Just got very interesting tho......

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03-15-2013, 06:04 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) Originally Posted by FinSaint Asomugha? Who wouldn't want to add him to their roster, you'd have to crazy not to want him! I don't think it's a matter of if a team - i.e. the Saints - wants him or not, but rather if they can negotiate a contract with such a player that'll tilt the odds in favor of the team coming on top in the investment vs return equation. Get past the brand name, watch the tape. "All Kelly could say about Asomugha was, “I don’t have his group of plays, or how he played in Game 1 through the last game of the season,” then after more questions, “I think Nnamdi has the skill set (pause) that can play football.” We all know that the former Oakland Raiders cornerback played horribly in 2012. He can no longer run with the faster receivers in the league, his quickness and change of direction are subpar and he seems indecisive when he comes up into the press technique, which used to be his strength. Bottomline, he’s no where near worth the the $15 million dollars they slated to pay him now." Chip Kelly Speaks Well Of Foles And Ryans, But Not Asomugha \| GCOBB.COM
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-15-2013, 10:46 AM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) Originally Posted by TheOak Get past the brand name, watch the tape. "All Kelly could say about Asomugha was, “I don’t have his group of plays, or how he played in Game 1 through the last game of the season,” then after more questions, “I think Nnamdi has the skill set (pause) that can play football.” We all know that the former Oakland Raiders cornerback played horribly in 2012. He can no longer run with the faster receivers in the league, his quickness and change of direction are subpar and he seems indecisive when he comes up into the press technique, which used to be his strength. Bottomline, he’s no where near worth the the $15 million dollars they slated to pay him now." Chip Kelly Speaks Well Of Foles And Ryans, But Not Asomugha \| GCOBB.COM Yeah, but that's all relative... he’s no where near worth the the $15 million dollars they slated to pay him now None of his suitors at present are looking at his skill set and planning to pay him $15M/yr, but at $4-5M/yr his skill set suddenly looks a lot better.

03-15-2013, 10:54 AM	#3
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) Asomugha, Woodson in “serious discussions” with 49ers \| ProFootballTalk

03-15-2013, 11:00 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) pass we need to get more than one player for the money he will want jeanpierre and K Major like this.

03-15-2013, 11:03 AM	#5
NuNu318 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: VA Posts: 465	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) Originally Posted by hagan714 pass we need to get more than one player for the money he will want No one even knows how much money he's asking for if he's already still going to get paid 4mil this season from the Eagles.

03-15-2013, 11:03 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) And it wasn't just Asomugha who underachieved and overpaid on that roster, lots of players underperformed. DRC, Cullen Jenkins, Jason Babin, Trent Cole, etc. Not take to make excuses for those guys, but I'm sure the coaching and locker room played a part in all of them failing miserably. I'm sure a scouting report on a majority of their players on defense last year wouldn't be too favorable. At a discounted rate, while there still would be plenty of risk involved, it could certainly be very worthwhile to kick the tires on a possible deal. jeanpierre likes this.

03-15-2013, 11:05 AM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,799	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) True. What if the asking price is 2 million? Added on with the money the Eagles are paying him, that's still more than what DRC got from Denver and on average from what KC is playing Sean Smith. It's also still more than what we gave Lewis. He gets to re-unite with his former DC on a contending team... that could lead to nice multi year deal the upcoming offseason.

03-15-2013, 11:34 AM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) Originally Posted by papz True. What if the asking price is 2 million? Added on with the money the Eagles are paying him, that's still more than what DRC got from Denver and on average from what KC is playing Sean Smith. It's also still more than what we gave Lewis. He gets to re-unite with his former DC on a contending team... that could lead to nice multi year deal the upcoming offseason. True, a 1-year contract like the one you proposed could be really good for him financially, since the market was/is flooded with quality CBs this offseason his market value wasn't/isn't as high as it could be f.e. next offseason.

03-15-2013, 12:49 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,058	re: Nnamdi Asomugha (All in one) Originally Posted by FinSaint True, a 1-year contract like the one you proposed could be really good for him financially, since the market was/is flooded with quality CBs this offseason his market value wasn't/isn't as high as it could be f.e. next offseason. He wants more than $4M. Ill put his 2012 performance into perspective for you. Patrick Robinson - 18 passes defended. Nnamdi - 12 passes defended..... 2012 NFL Player Defense Stats - National Football League - ESPN 2011 Greer - 18 Nnamdi - 5 Look at his stats... Help me understand why he is so stellar in so many peoples eyes. if he is not an upgrade to Patrick Robinson why do we want him? A cornerback is measured on the following correct? Passes Defended Interceptions Possibly sacks? Nnamdi Asomugha Stats - ESPN Patrick Robinson Stats - New Orleans Saints - ESPN 2012 CB rankings Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics Greer and Robinson rank higher 2011 CB rankings Porter, Robinson and Greer ranked higher Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics 2010 CB rankings Nnamdi doesn't even make the list but played 14 games Porter and greer both on the list Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics 2009 CB Rankings Greer and Porter above him again Advanced NFL Stats Player Statistics I must be missing something. For a first round draft pick his play seems underwhelming.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau Last edited by TheOak; 03-15-2013 at 12:51 PM..

03-15-2013, 11:40 AM	#10
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