NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things.

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Beastmode · 08-13-2018, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things.

What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse?

Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.

lee909 · 08-13-2018, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse?

Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.

Without living there it looks from the outside like a serios issue of little options and urban overcrowding leading to people having to do wrong to get by in the older days. Once that sets in i think its hard to escape from as it passes generation to generation. You look at any major city that suffered from poor prospects and people need to feed families and will do what they need to. This often starts leading to the neighbourhood turning bad,absent parents,or parents hooked on various vices. Its a nasty slippry slope that takes hold and once it has a grip seems hard to escape.

I know from family members who lived in Belfast during tbe Troubles that you had no choice but to side with 'your people',you didn't talk to the police,you kept what you saw to yourself and you hid things if asked'. That gripped Ireland for 30 years and its only slowly recovering in most areas. Now put that on a scale of what 80-100 years with added oppression,no civil rights,racist attitudes still present (even if they are dying out (imo) then its a expensive hole to fill in and get people not just on their feet but with a future that they can see and options infront of them. The ability to get a education and to plan a life would help

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Without living there it looks from the outside like a serios issue of little options and urban overcrowding leading to people having to do wrong to get by in the older days. Once that sets in i think its hard to escape from as it passes generation to generation. You look at any major city that suffered from poor prospects and people need to feed families and will do what they need to. This often starts leading to the neighbourhood turning bad,absent parents,or parents hooked on various vices. Its a nasty slippry slope that takes hold and once it has a grip seems hard to escape.

I know from family members who lived in Belfast during tbe Troubles that you had no choice but to side with 'your people',you didn't talk to the police,you kept what you saw to yourself and you hid things if asked'. That gripped Ireland for 30 years and its only slowly recovering in most areas. Now put that on a scale of what 80-100 years with added oppression,no civil rights,racist attitudes still present (even if they are dying out (imo) then its a expensive hole to fill in and get people not just on their feet but with a future that they can see and options infront of them. The ability to get a education and to plan a life would help

I see why we were allies in the 1600’s. However short that allyship was.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse?

Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.

Violent crime and poverty go hand in hand globally. Yeah, ghettos were socially engineered but we can ignore that for the sake of the discussion. Those communities need huge financial investments. The effort LeBron James made is a good start for his hometown, but I feel like all the Black elite should be pooling their money and resources together and adopt a city a year to revitalize. **** a YMCA. Rebuild homes and infrastructure. Bring in industry. Let’s get these people careers, because insurance is pretty much tied to employment.

Everybody thinks it starts with the kids, but to me it starts with the parents. Bringing smart kids home from a wonderful school to a ****ty, neighborhood and home with no lights or food isn’t solving anything. You have to provide opportunity to adults of the area. Healthcare facilities are important too. That’s what I’m trying to put together where I’m from. Get into a position to build a facility and then go to the local high school and develop bridge programs to get kids straight out of high school and working in the facility ASAP. I’m almost done with my Master’s, and I’ll go get the Doctorate just so people take it serious and put respect on my name.

GED programs. Trade schools. Industry. Grocery stores. Farms. Independence. I don’t want to have to ask the government or White people for help. I don’t even really want the help because I feel like strings will be attached. I have trust issues based on both past and recent history. I don’t want to own 2.6% of the wealth and less than 1% of the land when my kids are my age. We owned less than 1% of the land post-abolition. This isn’t going to work.

As far as Black, public officials, I view most of them in the same fashion as Samuel L Jackson’s character in Django: a Negro overseer. They have a responsibility they aren’t living up to, and we most certainly call them out. We just don’t tend to make internal disputes public. For years Conservative media called Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Black leaders while we said they weren’t. I spend most of my time in predominantly White spaces because success and progression calls for that. It’s plenty of blame to go around. I’m just not trusting enough to go into detail about things. And this may seem detailed, but it’s not. I’m way more organized and planned out then this.

frydaddy · 08-13-2018, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Violent crime and poverty go hand in hand globally. Yeah, ghettos were socially engineered but we can ignore that for the sake of the discussion. Those communities need huge financial investments. The effort LeBron James made is a good start for his hometown, but I feel like all the Black elite should be pooling their money and resources together and adopt a city a year to revitalize. **** a YMCA. Rebuild homes and infrastructure. Bring in industry. Let’s get these people careers, because insurance is pretty much tied to employment.

Everybody thinks it starts with the kids, but to me it starts with the parents. Bringing smart kids home from a wonderful school to a ****ty, neighborhood and home with no lights or food isn’t solving anything. You have to provide opportunity to adults of the area. Healthcare facilities are important too. That’s what I’m trying to put together where I’m from. Get into a position to build a facility and then go to the local high school and devlop bridge programs to get kids straight out of high school and working in the facility ASAP. I’m almost done with my Master’s, and I’ll go get the Doctorate just so people take it serious and put respect on my name.

GED programs. Trade schools. Industry. Grocery stores. Farms. Independence. I don’t want to have to ask the government or White people for help. I don’t even really want the help because I feel like strings will be attached. I have trust issues based on both past and recent history. I don’t want to own 2.6% of the wealth and less than 1% of the land when my kids are my age. We owned less than 1% of the land post-abolition. This isn’t going to work.

As far as Black, public officials, I view most of them in the same fashion as Samuel L Jackson’s character in Django: a Negro overseer. They have a responsibility they aren’t living up to, and we most certainly call them out. We just don’t tend to make internal disputes private. For years Conservative media called Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Black leaders while we said they weren’t. I spend most of time in predominantly White spaces because success and progression calls for that. It’s plenty of blame to go around. I’m just not trusting enough to go into detail about things. And this may seem detailed, but it’s not. I’m way more organized and planned out then this.

I agree with all of this. I mentioned in a post on this thread a few days ago the fact that the so called black leadership has been screwing black people for years. Perpetuating the idea of inferiority, its shameful. And I really like your idea about how these high profile athletes and other figures could put their money where their mouth is and affect REAL change. I think it shouldn't stop with them either. Politicians need to step up to the plate, cause every damn one of them who have ever run for a high profile office has campaigned at some point on the platform of lowering crime and restoring communities and all that mumbo jumbo. Only good can come of providing more people with more opportunities.

I know I started out kinda brash earlier, but my honest sentiment on the matter is that, yes, I see and I understand that there is this perception amongst a lotta black folks that they are somehow inferior. And that unfortunately leads to it manifesting itself as reality in their lives. What frustrates me as a fellow human being is that they believe it. Because it isn't true, and it doesn't have to be like this. We do actually live in a country where any person can make anything of themselves with enough hard work and passion for it. I am for the idea of providing more opportunities, but you gotta take them and do something with them. And if no one will provide you with one, then get out there and make one for yourself. Sometimes you just have to, it's what I'm having to do. And I feel this way toward all people honestly. There are a lot of small towns around where I live that are full of trashy ass people of all colors, but mostly white. Just a bunch of the types of people who like to stay f***ed up all day long on one thing or another. Drifting from pissant job to pissant job, making just enough to support their habit and maybe put a roof over their heads occasionally. I've got two brothers in law who fit all the above criteria sadly (my wife is the good one in the family.) Couple of useless leeches who need to either get their **** together or just get to dying already...but anyway. We do live in a world that is progressing beyond that, or at least attempting to, and it is time for people to start talking things out and finding a way to get on the same page. I feel like you and I are a little closer to that than perhaps we were to begin the day. It's been nice to find some common ground with you.

Papa Voodoo · 08-14-2018, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse?

Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.

Trump promised to clean up all inner cities during his speech when he won the election.

Danno · 08-14-2018, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Trump promised to clean up all inner cities during his speech when he won the election.

You can't help people that don't want help.

vpheughan · 08-14-2018, 06:29 AM

I know you were never right but I'll admit I was never wrong.....

Papa Voodoo · 08-14-2018, 10:19 AM

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08-13-2018, 08:01 PM	#1
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things. It's a take only the enthusiasts will read to the end. Lots of obscure names and stuff nobody has ever heard of. I guarantee you'll appreciate it. rezburna likes this.

08-13-2018, 08:11 PM	#2
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things. What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse? Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.
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08-13-2018, 08:52 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by Beastmode What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse? Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control. Without living there it looks from the outside like a serios issue of little options and urban overcrowding leading to people having to do wrong to get by in the older days. Once that sets in i think its hard to escape from as it passes generation to generation. You look at any major city that suffered from poor prospects and people need to feed families and will do what they need to. This often starts leading to the neighbourhood turning bad,absent parents,or parents hooked on various vices. Its a nasty slippry slope that takes hold and once it has a grip seems hard to escape. I know from family members who lived in Belfast during tbe Troubles that you had no choice but to side with 'your people',you didn't talk to the police,you kept what you saw to yourself and you hid things if asked'. That gripped Ireland for 30 years and its only slowly recovering in most areas. Now put that on a scale of what 80-100 years with added oppression,no civil rights,racist attitudes still present (even if they are dying out (imo) then its a expensive hole to fill in and get people not just on their feet but with a future that they can see and options infront of them. The ability to get a education and to plan a life would help Crusader, AsylumGuido and rezburna like this.
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08-13-2018, 09:06 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by lee909 Without living there it looks from the outside like a serios issue of little options and urban overcrowding leading to people having to do wrong to get by in the older days. Once that sets in i think its hard to escape from as it passes generation to generation. You look at any major city that suffered from poor prospects and people need to feed families and will do what they need to. This often starts leading to the neighbourhood turning bad,absent parents,or parents hooked on various vices. Its a nasty slippry slope that takes hold and once it has a grip seems hard to escape. I know from family members who lived in Belfast during tbe Troubles that you had no choice but to side with 'your people',you didn't talk to the police,you kept what you saw to yourself and you hid things if asked'. That gripped Ireland for 30 years and its only slowly recovering in most areas. Now put that on a scale of what 80-100 years with added oppression,no civil rights,racist attitudes still present (even if they are dying out (imo) then its a expensive hole to fill in and get people not just on their feet but with a future that they can see and options infront of them. The ability to get a education and to plan a life would help I see why we were allies in the 1600’s. However short that allyship was.

08-13-2018, 09:04 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by Beastmode What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse? Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control. Violent crime and poverty go hand in hand globally. Yeah, ghettos were socially engineered but we can ignore that for the sake of the discussion. Those communities need huge financial investments. The effort LeBron James made is a good start for his hometown, but I feel like all the Black elite should be pooling their money and resources together and adopt a city a year to revitalize. ** a YMCA. Rebuild homes and infrastructure. Bring in industry. Let’s get these people careers, because insurance is pretty much tied to employment. Everybody thinks it starts with the kids, but to me it starts with the parents. Bringing smart kids home from a wonderful school to a **ty, neighborhood and home with no lights or food isn’t solving anything. You have to provide opportunity to adults of the area. Healthcare facilities are important too. That’s what I’m trying to put together where I’m from. Get into a position to build a facility and then go to the local high school and develop bridge programs to get kids straight out of high school and working in the facility ASAP. I’m almost done with my Master’s, and I’ll go get the Doctorate just so people take it serious and put respect on my name. GED programs. Trade schools. Industry. Grocery stores. Farms. Independence. I don’t want to have to ask the government or White people for help. I don’t even really want the help because I feel like strings will be attached. I have trust issues based on both past and recent history. I don’t want to own 2.6% of the wealth and less than 1% of the land when my kids are my age. We owned less than 1% of the land post-abolition. This isn’t going to work. As far as Black, public officials, I view most of them in the same fashion as Samuel L Jackson’s character in Django: a Negro overseer. They have a responsibility they aren’t living up to, and we most certainly call them out. We just don’t tend to make internal disputes public. For years Conservative media called Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Black leaders while we said they weren’t. I spend most of my time in predominantly White spaces because success and progression calls for that. It’s plenty of blame to go around. I’m just not trusting enough to go into detail about things. And this may seem detailed, but it’s not. I’m way more organized and planned out then this. Crusader, AsylumGuido, Beastmode and 3 others like this.
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08-13-2018, 10:43 PM	#6
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Violent crime and poverty go hand in hand globally. Yeah, ghettos were socially engineered but we can ignore that for the sake of the discussion. Those communities need huge financial investments. The effort LeBron James made is a good start for his hometown, but I feel like all the Black elite should be pooling their money and resources together and adopt a city a year to revitalize. ** a YMCA. Rebuild homes and infrastructure. Bring in industry. Let’s get these people careers, because insurance is pretty much tied to employment. Everybody thinks it starts with the kids, but to me it starts with the parents. Bringing smart kids home from a wonderful school to a ty, neighborhood and home with no lights or food isn’t solving anything. You have to provide opportunity to adults of the area. Healthcare facilities are important too. That’s what I’m trying to put together where I’m from. Get into a position to build a facility and then go to the local high school and devlop bridge programs to get kids straight out of high school and working in the facility ASAP. I’m almost done with my Master’s, and I’ll go get the Doctorate just so people take it serious and put respect on my name. GED programs. Trade schools. Industry. Grocery stores. Farms. Independence. I don’t want to have to ask the government or White people for help. I don’t even really want the help because I feel like strings will be attached. I have trust issues based on both past and recent history. I don’t want to own 2.6% of the wealth and less than 1% of the land when my kids are my age. We owned less than 1% of the land post-abolition. This isn’t going to work. As far as Black, public officials, I view most of them in the same fashion as Samuel L Jackson’s character in Django: a Negro overseer. They have a responsibility they aren’t living up to, and we most certainly call them out. We just don’t tend to make internal disputes private. For years Conservative media called Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Black leaders while we said they weren’t. I spend most of time in predominantly White spaces because success and progression calls for that. It’s plenty of blame to go around. I’m just not trusting enough to go into detail about things. And this may seem detailed, but it’s not. I’m way more organized and planned out then this. I agree with all of this. I mentioned in a post on this thread a few days ago the fact that the so called black leadership has been screwing black people for years. Perpetuating the idea of inferiority, its shameful. And I really like your idea about how these high profile athletes and other figures could put their money where their mouth is and affect REAL change. I think it shouldn't stop with them either. Politicians need to step up to the plate, cause every damn one of them who have ever run for a high profile office has campaigned at some point on the platform of lowering crime and restoring communities and all that mumbo jumbo. Only good can come of providing more people with more opportunities. I know I started out kinda brash earlier, but my honest sentiment on the matter is that, yes, I see and I understand that there is this perception amongst a lotta black folks that they are somehow inferior. And that unfortunately leads to it manifesting itself as reality in their lives. What frustrates me as a fellow human being is that they believe it. Because it isn't true, and it doesn't have to be like this. We do actually live in a country where any person can make anything of themselves with enough hard work and passion for it. I am for the idea of providing more opportunities, but you gotta take them and do something with them. And if no one will provide you with one, then get out there and make one for yourself. Sometimes you just have to, it's what I'm having to do. And I feel this way toward all people honestly. There are a lot of small towns around where I live that are full of trashy ass people of all colors, but mostly white. Just a bunch of the types of people who like to stay fed up all day long on one thing or another. Drifting from pissant job to pissant job, making just enough to support their habit and maybe put a roof over their heads occasionally. I've got two brothers in law who fit all the above criteria sadly (my wife is the good one in the family.) Couple of useless leeches who need to either get their *** together or just get to dying already...but anyway. We do live in a world that is progressing beyond that, or at least attempting to, and it is time for people to start talking things out and finding a way to get on the same page. I feel like you and I are a little closer to that than perhaps we were to begin the day. It's been nice to find some common ground with you. SmashMouth likes this.
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08-14-2018, 10:05 AM	#7
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by Beastmode What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse? Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control. Trump promised to clean up all inner cities during his speech when he won the election.

08-14-2018, 12:15 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Trump promised to clean up all inner cities during his speech when he won the election. You can't help people that don't want help. Beastmode likes this.

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