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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintfan "Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway... If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media. This isn't about race. It has never ...

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Old 08-13-2018, 07:14 AM   #1
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"Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway...

If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media.

This isn't about race. It has never been about race.

It sounds like you're arguing that the protesting isn't hurting the NFL numbers. It also sounds like you're trying to compare us white folk and "our" dislike for the players protesting the Anthem to Civil Rights Marches...and the Jim Crow era?

Those will be the two silliest things I will read all day.
Yeah. Y’all. Seriously.

I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves.

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Old 08-13-2018, 09:27 AM   #2
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Yeah. Yall. Seriously.

I dont care what you do or dont like. You wont stop it just like your ancestors didnt stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, Im not trying to do anything. Im making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. Its about race, and its always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least theyre still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. Im not one of those people. I dont agree with the protests, because I dont believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most yalls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Yall can debate amongst yourselves about who the real oppressor is, but youll only be convincing yourselves.

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I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:26 AM   #3
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I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership.
People protest inner city violence all the time. There are copious efforts to curve the violence. I’m not sure why you highlighted Chicago though. Because it’s in the news the most? They aren’t the murder capital of the United States. St. Louis is. I’m not sure if you’ve actually delved into why violence exploded on the south side, but you should. I’m not banging the drum for Rahm Emanuel either. Again, the bipartisan debate isn’t something I partake in. I want Farrakhan to run Chicago.

I mean, I guess it’s fine to equate civilian on civilian homicide to public servant on civilian homicide in some circles. Like I said, just be happy they’re protesting about it. It definitely wouldn’t be my approach.

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Yeah. Yall. Seriously.

I dont care what you do or dont like. You wont stop it just like your ancestors didnt stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, Im not trying to do anything. Im making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. Its about race, and its always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least theyre still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. Im not one of those people. I dont agree with the protests, because I dont believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most yalls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Yall can debate amongst yourselves about who the real oppressor is, but youll only be convincing yourselves.

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My ancestors werent trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy.

I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isnt going to happen here.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:22 AM   #5
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My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy.

I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here.
Tell your grandfather I said hello. And my respects to your grandmother.

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Tell your grandfather I said hello. And my respects to your grandmother.

We€™ll see. ***™‚️


Part of your problem is you want to punish people now for sins for which they had no part. Sarcasm duly noted. When you can make a point that doesnt reference the color of a mans skin we can get somewhere. Until then you keep on believing what you believe. People (black and white) died for that right...or maybe only just for us white folk?
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Part of your problem is you want to punish people now for sins for which they had no part. Sarcasm duly noted. When you can make a point that doesn’t reference the color of a mans skin we can get somewhere. Until then you keep on believing what you believe. People (black and white) died for that right...or maybe only just for us white folk?
The main problem is people are being punished today in conjunction with suffering for sins of which they had no part of, and you say one thing behind closed doors claiming to be some indifferent, ally but then you switch up in the public forum. I call that wishy washy.

Y’all continue to reference The Abrahamic version of God, and that’s cool. That God has taken real good care of your people for a few centuries, but he sits back why mine pray to him everyday and continue to suffer. Y’all can have that God. It amuses me. You’re convinced a man is sitting in the clouds counting your good and bad deeds like Santa Claus but you look at us with skepticism and scoff at an entire diaspora that tells you they’re going through something serious in a country that’s ENTIRE history along with current socioeconomic studies back up such claims.

Yet...you approach me knowing all this because we’ve talked about it before, and you want me to grab your hand and take a leap of good faith. Based on what? Because you say you’re colorblind and judge people on the content of their character? That MLK ****? Lol.

Don’t talk about race when the foundation of the protests are race? Stop it. You don’t give a **** about Black people. You just don’t want White people to be the blame...because you’re colorblind until the word White gets thrown out there. Then you finally remember, oh yeah, that’s me. Let ME defend ME.

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The main problem is people are being punished today in conjunction with suffering for sins of which they had no part of, and you say one thing behind closed doors claiming to be some indifferent, ally but then you switch up in the public forum. I call that wishy washy.

Yall continue to reference The Abrahamic version of God, and thats cool. That God has taken real good care of your people for a few centuries, but he sits back why mine pray to him everyday and continue to suffer. Yall can have that God. It amuses me. Youre convinced a man is sitting in the clouds counting your good and bad deeds like Santa Claus but you look at us with skepticism and scoff at an entire diaspora that tells you theyre going through something serious in a country thats ENTIRE history along with current socioeconomic studies back up such claims.

Yet...you approach me knowing all this because weve talked about it before, and you want me to grab your hand and take a leap of good faith. Based on what? Because you say youre colorblind and judge people on the content of their character? That MLK ****? Lol.

Dont talk about race when the foundation of the protests are race? Stop it. You dont give a **** about Black people. You just dont want White people to be the blame...because youre colorblind until the word White gets thrown out there. Then you finally remember, oh yeah, thats me. Let ME defend ME.

Is this Baltimore cop "your people"?



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Is this Baltimore cop "your people"?



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/baltimo...ing-man-quits/
Hes a traitor to his people and he deserves to be dealt with in the same fashion nations deal with those who commit treason. He disgusts me.
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The main problem is people are being punished today in conjunction with suffering for sins of which they had no part of, and you say one thing behind closed doors claiming to be some indifferent, ally but then you switch up in the public forum. I call that wishy washy.

Yall continue to reference The Abrahamic version of God, and thats cool. That God has taken real good care of your people for a few centuries, but he sits back why mine pray to him everyday and continue to suffer. Yall can have that God. It amuses me. Youre convinced a man is sitting in the clouds counting your good and bad deeds like Santa Claus but you look at us with skepticism and scoff at an entire diaspora that tells you theyre going through something serious in a country thats ENTIRE history along with current socioeconomic studies back up such claims.

Yet...you approach me knowing all this because weve talked about it before, and you want me to grab your hand and take a leap of good faith. Based on what? Because you say youre colorblind and judge people on the content of their character? That MLK ****? Lol.

Dont talk about race when the foundation of the protests are race? Stop it. You dont give a **** about Black people. You just dont want White people to be the blame...because youre colorblind until the word White gets thrown out there. Then you finally remember, oh yeah, thats me. Let ME defend ME.
Do you think that because you are black that suffering is unique to you somehow? You're self-proclaimed arrogant, but are you really THAT arrogant? Making such a claim while professing your vast knowledge on the subject makes you look like an idiot.

The foundations of the protest are a QB who was benched, found a racist radio host and got hooked on her and let her destroy his career.

The difference between you and me is that I give a **** about ALL people, and just as I told you before, people have to learn to respect one another. You can never do that in parallel to blaming the white man. I am open enough with you to acknowledge racism and to respect your views, up to a point to be sure, on the matter.

What, if anything, do you know about white slaves? Narry as much as the black ones I bet.

All that 60 garbage you quote was mostly just that. But you only know parts of that history - the parts that line up with what you want to believe. Rock on. The biggest racist on this forum, right now, is you. That doesn't change a single thing about my opinion or anything I told you in private.

The land grab still isn't going to happen here. Keep on dreamin'.

C'mon Man...
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