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View Poll Results: After three seasons, what grade do you give the Saints for the 2018 Draft Haul? | |||
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1 | 7.69% |
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3 | 23.08% |
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2 | 15.38% |
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5 | 38.46% |
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2 | 15.38% |
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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The reason why I used blackjack as an analogy to the NFL draft is because, just like with the draft, a good player knows the odds and can make educated plays based upon those odds, yet until that next card ...
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Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in | USA Today/SaintsWire
The reason why I used blackjack as an analogy to the NFL draft is because, just like with the draft, a good player knows the odds and can make educated plays based upon those odds, yet until that next card is turned, or that player actually experiences the NFL, there is no way to be confident in the eventual outcome. That turn card could turn that 11 into a 21 or a 15. Or that first couple of years can reveal a player who excels or one that gets kicked to the curb.
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Re: Grading the 2018 Saints draft class, three years in | USA Today/SaintsWire
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Blackjack players that have any amount of success, over time, count cards, it’s a simple mechanic and your odds can easily be manipulated. Quite frequently card counters team up for even better odds. It really is a simple mechanic and even as a beginner, all you have to do is slow the dealer down. In no time you’ll be adjusting the running total in your head, as quickly as the dealer turns over cards. I don’t think there is any mechanic used in drafting that improves your odds that significantly. As far as the “crapshoot” argument goes it doesn’t surprise me that many will use that term as an excuse for poor scouting, poor coaching, poor development..., etc.![]()
There are WAY too many variables in drafting to declare individual players inside each draft a success/failure to label the draft nothing more than “luck” or a “crapshoot”. The team drafting, that team’s active roster, team needs, player demands, injuries, environment... All of those and many many many more come into play when determining if a draft prospect is considered successful or not. Why even have a scouting team? It’s luck, right? Why have position coaches, college players will either have it or not, right? We’ll just draft who Kiper has rated as best player available next and hope for the best. Of course those ppl are going to call it a “crapshoot”. They have guessed on some folks and failed. Like the Saints did with 2 1sts and a 5th..., then resort back to “it’s just luck, don’t blame us” as an excuse. It’s similar to saying marriage is a “crapshoot”, right? Same thought process, we’re dealing with massive individual, and organizational (family, religion, work, etc...) dynamics. Controlling that to a 100% success rate is a fools game, not possible. You do the best you can, we all do, but ultimately the statistics show roughly a 55/45 success/fail rate, aka divorce rate, give or take, depending on who you ask. Successful draft picks are much more ambiguous wrt a very simple success/fail, binary evaluation. When it comes to evaluating draft picks I use an “on an nfl roster/not on an nfl roster” to do that evaluation without having years of history to evaluate. With years of history, it can be perspective based also. Lets take our own Drew Brees draft pick, from a San Diegan perspective his draft was one of failure, from a New Orleanian’s perspective, it’s 100% opposite. That dynamic was almost wholly influenced by injury, of course, but I don’t believe Drew Brees has a SB ring on his mantle right now without CSP and the Saints. If Tom Brady were drafted by the Saints at 168, instead of his team at 199, do you honestly think that Tom Terrific would be as successful? Not even close, imho he wouldn’t even be a household name. If you view the draft as a crapshoot then the same can be said of veteran free agents. They don’t always work out either. In 2020, veteran free agent failures were ubiquitous, folks like: Mario Addison Dante Fowler Vic Beasely Randall Cobb Jimmy Graham Austin Hooper Teddy Bridgewater Jadaveon Clowney Just to name a few off the top of my head. The difference being cost and cap hits. Veteran Free Agents are expensive, and carry veteran free agent cap hits. And the change from NFL team to NFL team is equally as much an unknown as whether a college player makes the transition to the next level. The draft is not as punishing when you do miss. And everybody misses, both in drafting, and in free agency. But, I just think it’s cynical to label either a “crapshoot”. Sorry for the novel folks, if anyone has made it this far..., lol, I’ll buy you a beer of your choice for your patience and time, should we ever cross paths. |
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