The Deep QB Draft

Boston Saint · 03-10-2021, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If he stays the odds of a repeat of a 2020 season are slimmer than drafting a franchise QB because he will have a fair bit less talent around him due to cap hell.

Not sure I agree with this Oak. In that playoff game they had an injured Thomas, no Hill, no Murray, no consistent WR behind Sanders, and no Harris after the first quarter. Looking back, Brees had no healthy, quality targets to throw to in that game outside of Sanders and Kamara. The only players lost so far are Easton (providing Ruiz continues to improve he’s expendable), Cook ( who cost the game IMO) and Hill (great blocker but easily replaceable in the pass game).

The team got hit with the injury bug late while Tampa got healthy at the right time aided by a late season bye. Loomis is doing his restructure work. Kamara, Thomas, and Oline quality will still be there in 2021. I don’t think there will be a massive talent drop off like you are predicting. We will see though.

TheOak · 03-11-2021, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not sure I agree with this Oak. In that playoff game they had an injured Thomas, no Hill, no Murray, no consistent WR behind Sanders, and no Harris after the first quarter. Looking back, Brees had no healthy, quality targets to throw to in that game outside of Sanders and Kamara. The only players lost so far are Easton (providing Ruiz continues to improve he’s expendable), Cook ( who cost the game IMO) and Hill (great blocker but easily replaceable in the pass game).

The team got hit with the injury bug late while Tampa got healthy at the right time aided by a late season bye. Loomis is doing his restructure work. Kamara, Thomas, and Oline quality will still be there in 2021. I don’t think there will be a massive talent drop off like you are predicting. We will see though.

We aren't at a point to say 'we will see' just yet as we do not have our roster yet. Your scenario excludes 1/2 the team as you did not account for the defenses contribution to the 2020 season and you also did not recognize that we still have $40M in cuts to make.

That last $40M will hurt badly, largest easiest moves have been made the rest will dig deeply into our depth, football is a game of attrition not who starts. The Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns applies to the rest of our cap cutting efforts.

You may have forgotten that we still need another QB regardless of Drew's decision? If he stays we need a 3rd as he has not played a 16 game season since 2018 and Taysom is utilized quite a bit in non QB roles, if he leaves then we still need at least a starter or back up for Taysom. Winston is not counted against the cap because he is a free agent but needs to be accounted for theoretically because we need another QB.

Someone asked how much is left to be able to start the season under the cap? Well, we aren't 1/2 way to Disney Land just yet.

Boston Saint · 03-11-2021, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

We aren't at a point to say 'we will see' just yet as we do not have our roster yet. Your scenario excludes 1/2 the team as you did not account for the defenses contribution to the 2020 season and you also did not recognize that we still have $40M in cuts to make.

That last $40M will hurt badly, largest easiest moves have been made the rest will dig deeply into our depth, football is a game of attrition not who starts. The Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns applies to the rest of our cap cutting efforts.

You may have forgotten that we still need another QB regardless of Drew's decision? If he stays we need a 3rd as he has not played a 16 game season since 2018 and Taysom is utilized quite a bit in non QB roles, if he leaves then we still need at least a starter or back up for Taysom. Winston is not counted against the cap because he is a free agent but needs to be accounted for theoretically because we need another QB.

Someone asked how much is left to be able to start the season under the cap? Well, we aren't 1/2 way to Disney Land just yet.

So, like I said, we will see what happens.

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halloween 65 · 03-14-2021, 01:39 PM

If Winston cleans up the int's we're set.

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2021, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

If Winston cleans up the int's we're set.

Don't forget he's a free agent. He'll go to the highest bidder and we are not in position to outbid.

Rugby Saint II · 03-14-2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Don't forget he's a free agent. He'll go to the highest bidder and we are not in position to outbid.

If the team offers him a decent deal and makes him the starter then I could see Winston hanging around for less.

neugey · 03-14-2021, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If the team offers him a decent deal and makes him the starter then I could see Winston hanging around for less.

Of the teams that are still fishing for a starting QB, most of them likely have worse coaching and O-line than the Saints. It'd be sensible for him to take a decent amount less to stay in NOLA. He'd also get the opportunity to try to prove Tampa wrong twice a year (and maybe again in the playoffs).

jnormand · 03-14-2021, 07:01 PM

I'd like the Saints to draft their guy for the future. I really would. I enjoy watching Taysom. I'm not a real believer in Winston. But I really don't see either of them as the long term answer. Not really.

Sure would be nice to draft a QB and maybe let him learn for a season then let him take the reigns.

lee909 · 03-14-2021, 08:12 PM

Honestly I'd be talking to Watson and Wilson agents.
Asking if they will be on the move next year, obviously Watson wants out and it seems Wilson does to but the cap hit Seattle takes makes it unlikely.

If either will 100% come after this season just sign a vet and run him or Hill and trade next off-season.

03-10-2021, 09:42 AM	#31
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by TheOak If he stays the odds of a repeat of a 2020 season are slimmer than drafting a franchise QB because he will have a fair bit less talent around him due to cap hell. Not sure I agree with this Oak. In that playoff game they had an injured Thomas, no Hill, no Murray, no consistent WR behind Sanders, and no Harris after the first quarter. Looking back, Brees had no healthy, quality targets to throw to in that game outside of Sanders and Kamara. The only players lost so far are Easton (providing Ruiz continues to improve he’s expendable), Cook ( who cost the game IMO) and Hill (great blocker but easily replaceable in the pass game). The team got hit with the injury bug late while Tampa got healthy at the right time aided by a late season bye. Loomis is doing his restructure work. Kamara, Thomas, and Oline quality will still be there in 2021. I don’t think there will be a massive talent drop off like you are predicting. We will see though.
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03-11-2021, 08:18 AM	#32
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not sure I agree with this Oak. In that playoff game they had an injured Thomas, no Hill, no Murray, no consistent WR behind Sanders, and no Harris after the first quarter. Looking back, Brees had no healthy, quality targets to throw to in that game outside of Sanders and Kamara. The only players lost so far are Easton (providing Ruiz continues to improve he’s expendable), Cook ( who cost the game IMO) and Hill (great blocker but easily replaceable in the pass game). The team got hit with the injury bug late while Tampa got healthy at the right time aided by a late season bye. Loomis is doing his restructure work. Kamara, Thomas, and Oline quality will still be there in 2021. I don’t think there will be a massive talent drop off like you are predicting. We will see though. We aren't at a point to say 'we will see' just yet as we do not have our roster yet. Your scenario excludes 1/2 the team as you did not account for the defenses contribution to the 2020 season and you also did not recognize that we still have $40M in cuts to make. That last $40M will hurt badly, largest easiest moves have been made the rest will dig deeply into our depth, football is a game of attrition not who starts. The Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns applies to the rest of our cap cutting efforts. You may have forgotten that we still need another QB regardless of Drew's decision? If he stays we need a 3rd as he has not played a 16 game season since 2018 and Taysom is utilized quite a bit in non QB roles, if he leaves then we still need at least a starter or back up for Taysom. Winston is not counted against the cap because he is a free agent but needs to be accounted for theoretically because we need another QB. Someone asked how much is left to be able to start the season under the cap? Well, we aren't 1/2 way to Disney Land just yet.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

03-11-2021, 08:32 AM	#33
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by TheOak We aren't at a point to say 'we will see' just yet as we do not have our roster yet. Your scenario excludes 1/2 the team as you did not account for the defenses contribution to the 2020 season and you also did not recognize that we still have $40M in cuts to make. That last $40M will hurt badly, largest easiest moves have been made the rest will dig deeply into our depth, football is a game of attrition not who starts. The Law of Diminishing Marginal Returns applies to the rest of our cap cutting efforts. You may have forgotten that we still need another QB regardless of Drew's decision? If he stays we need a 3rd as he has not played a 16 game season since 2018 and Taysom is utilized quite a bit in non QB roles, if he leaves then we still need at least a starter or back up for Taysom. Winston is not counted against the cap because he is a free agent but needs to be accounted for theoretically because we need another QB. Someone asked how much is left to be able to start the season under the cap? Well, we aren't 1/2 way to Disney Land just yet. So, like I said, we will see what happens. AsylumGuido and K Major like this.

03-14-2021, 01:39 PM	#35
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: The Deep QB Draft If Winston cleans up the int's we're set.

03-14-2021, 01:48 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by halloween 65 If Winston cleans up the int's we're set. Don't forget he's a free agent. He'll go to the highest bidder and we are not in position to outbid.

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03-14-2021, 03:11 PM	#37
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Don't forget he's a free agent. He'll go to the highest bidder and we are not in position to outbid. If the team offers him a decent deal and makes him the starter then I could see Winston hanging around for less. halloween 65 and Boston Saint like this.

03-14-2021, 06:55 PM	#38
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,695 Blog Entries: 13	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If the team offers him a decent deal and makes him the starter then I could see Winston hanging around for less. Of the teams that are still fishing for a starting QB, most of them likely have worse coaching and O-line than the Saints. It'd be sensible for him to take a decent amount less to stay in NOLA. He'd also get the opportunity to try to prove Tampa wrong twice a year (and maybe again in the playoffs). SmashMouth likes this.

03-14-2021, 07:01 PM	#39
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,657	Re: The Deep QB Draft I'd like the Saints to draft their guy for the future. I really would. I enjoy watching Taysom. I'm not a real believer in Winston. But I really don't see either of them as the long term answer. Not really. Sure would be nice to draft a QB and maybe let him learn for a season then let him take the reigns. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-14-2021, 08:12 PM	#40
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,802 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Deep QB Draft Honestly I'd be talking to Watson and Wilson agents. Asking if they will be on the move next year, obviously Watson wants out and it seems Wilson does to but the cap hit Seattle takes makes it unlikely. If either will 100% come after this season just sign a vet and run him or Hill and trade next off-season.