Saints Are Offering Refunds

halloween 65 · 08-20-2021, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You totally missed the point of the question, but your reply gave me the answer. You are clearly under the impression that the purpose of masks are to protect the wearer.

That is totally wrong. Mask wearing is NOT to protect the person wearing the mask. I repeat ... mask wearing is NOT to protect the person wearing the mask.

The primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHERS. Any mask, no matter how simple, is very effective at capturing the emissions from the wearer that carry the virus.

Everything you posted refers to protection, not to preventing the spread. You have either totally missed the point or are ignoring the point. You have just repeated oft mention arguments that have no pertinence to the mask purpose whatsoever.

You can repeat all you want, without the proper mask it doesn't work, period, no matter if you wear it or I wear it or if you don't or I don't it's the same thing. If it's not the proper mask it does not matter it still is spread. Maybe you should wear one of those pretty little mask in an oxygen deficient atmosphere and I'll wear a proper oxygen supplied and we'll see how it turns out. Bet you turn blue and I want. Now repeat that. And if protection doesn't prevent then everything I've ever been taught is wrong. Hey man, does a contraceptive protect or prevent? You truly are a funny guy!!

AsylumGuido · 08-20-2021, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

You can repeat all you want, without the proper mask it doesn't work, period, no matter if you wear it or I wear it or if you don't or I don't it's the same thing. If it's not the proper mask it does not matter it still is spread. Maybe you should wear one of those pretty little mask in an oxygen deficient atmosphere and I'll wear a proper oxygen supplied and we'll see how it turns out. Bet you turn blue and I want. Now repeat that. And if protection doesn't prevent then everything I've ever been taught is wrong. Hey man, does a contraceptive protect or prevent? You truly are a funny guy!!

Once again you do not get the concept. You are talking protection of wearer.

halloween 65 · 08-21-2021, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Once again you do not get the concept. You are talking protection of wearer.

Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you?

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you?

My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others.

Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose.

If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case.

spkb25 · 08-21-2021, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others.

Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose.

If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case.

None of this true and studies 100 percent contradict this. There is a 99 to 99.5% survival rate. Age is a huge factor in those dying. The holes in the cloth masks are wjat is it 1000 times larger than the virus.

We are going to have to learn to treat those thst inexplicably become gravely ill and to live with it. Youre not eradicating the virus...better chance at eradicating fauci and the other scientist who supported and helped create it.

BTW had covid in December, got tired for little more than a week and lost my sense of smell.

halloween 65 · 08-21-2021, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others.

Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose.

If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case.

No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

AsylumGuido · 08-21-2021, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

JayFoster · 08-22-2021, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you?

This is incorrect.

Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org.

halloween 65 · 08-22-2021, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by JayFoster

This is incorrect.

Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org.

The 2021 date said nothing about covid next closest date was 2017 and covid didn't exist. Be more specific. I do read quite a bit.

JayFoster · 08-23-2021, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

The 2021 date said nothing about covid next closest date was 2017 and covid didn't exist. Be more specific. I do read quite a bit.

Sure.

Here's a few:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776536

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33431650/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34016743/

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6549/1439

08-20-2021, 06:49 PM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You totally missed the point of the question, but your reply gave me the answer. You are clearly under the impression that the purpose of masks are to protect the wearer. That is totally wrong. Mask wearing is NOT to protect the person wearing the mask. I repeat ... mask wearing is NOT to protect the person wearing the mask. The primary purpose of wearing a mask is to protect OTHERS. Any mask, no matter how simple, is very effective at capturing the emissions from the wearer that carry the virus. Everything you posted refers to protection, not to preventing the spread. You have either totally missed the point or are ignoring the point. You have just repeated oft mention arguments that have no pertinence to the mask purpose whatsoever. You can repeat all you want, without the proper mask it doesn't work, period, no matter if you wear it or I wear it or if you don't or I don't it's the same thing. If it's not the proper mask it does not matter it still is spread. Maybe you should wear one of those pretty little mask in an oxygen deficient atmosphere and I'll wear a proper oxygen supplied and we'll see how it turns out. Bet you turn blue and I want. Now repeat that. And if protection doesn't prevent then everything I've ever been taught is wrong. Hey man, does a contraceptive protect or prevent? You truly are a funny guy!!

08-20-2021, 07:03 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 You can repeat all you want, without the proper mask it doesn't work, period, no matter if you wear it or I wear it or if you don't or I don't it's the same thing. If it's not the proper mask it does not matter it still is spread. Maybe you should wear one of those pretty little mask in an oxygen deficient atmosphere and I'll wear a proper oxygen supplied and we'll see how it turns out. Bet you turn blue and I want. Now repeat that. And if protection doesn't prevent then everything I've ever been taught is wrong. Hey man, does a contraceptive protect or prevent? You truly are a funny guy!! Once again you do not get the concept. You are talking protection of wearer.

08-21-2021, 10:19 AM	#3
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Once again you do not get the concept. You are talking protection of wearer. Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you?

08-21-2021, 10:53 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you? My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others. Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose. If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-21-2021, 01:50 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others. Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose. If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case. None of this true and studies 100 percent contradict this. There is a 99 to 99.5% survival rate. Age is a huge factor in those dying. The holes in the cloth masks are wjat is it 1000 times larger than the virus. We are going to have to learn to treat those thst inexplicably become gravely ill and to live with it. Youre not eradicating the virus...better chance at eradicating fauci and the other scientist who supported and helped create it. BTW had covid in December, got tired for little more than a week and lost my sense of smell.
	Your team stinks

08-21-2021, 03:41 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My God, you honestly do not get the concept. Yes, if you were wearing a mask that gave you 95% protection, it would in turn be excellent in protecting others from you. You are correct in that. But, but even a simple cloth mask that is extremely ineffective at keeping out virus particles and does little if anything to protect the wearer is very effective at catching expelled droplets containing the virus thus protecting others. Once again, the main purpose of wearing a mask is not to protect the wearer, but to protect others from the wearer - regardless of the type of mask worn. Any mask is better than none for that purpose. If you don't get that then the doorknob analogy appears to be correct in this case. No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

08-21-2021, 03:45 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 No help for you is it? Prozac don't help people who are touched in the head like you even. Hopeless!!

08-22-2021, 12:34 PM	#8
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 Dude.... If it protects me then it protects them.But let me get this through to that thick skull of yours, only if it's a properly rated mask does it work. That is the point. I think you would try to convince a door knob it can only be turned one way. Your pretty close to the drama queen aspect aren't you? You like to THINK you are right but really don't have a clue about certain things in the least and WILL keep on and on and on and on about it. Really sad, I would feel sorry for you and people like you but I don't and want, ever. So keep on spewing out what you think you know, whether you really know it or not. I'm getting a kick out of it, how about you? This is incorrect. Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org.
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122

08-22-2021, 09:12 PM	#9
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by JayFoster This is incorrect. Go read the studies at JAMA, New England Journal of Medicine, NIH, pubmed.org. The 2021 date said nothing about covid next closest date was 2017 and covid didn't exist. Be more specific. I do read quite a bit. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.

08-23-2021, 05:41 PM	#10
JayFoster 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 122	Re: Saints Are Offering Refunds Originally Posted by halloween 65 The 2021 date said nothing about covid next closest date was 2017 and covid didn't exist. Be more specific. I do read quite a bit. Sure. Here's a few: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2776536 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33431650/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34016743/ https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6549/1439
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