Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Constructive criticism:
- Drives me nuts when we start in pistol-like formation and shift to a normal shotgun. I think we could do more damage with the pistol similar to Chiefs and Cardinals.
- The pitch to Kamara at the goal line was much too risky and we saw the huge negative result. Unless you are playing a defense that is absolutely gassed, I don't think that play works at the goalline in the NFL. Stuff the middle or call another play.
- Play action on first down seemed kind of predictable and Panthers got us for huge losses on it.
- I don't think we called a screen all game. Could've used a few to keep Winston from getting assaulted.
- Needed to send more pressure vs Darnold earlier in the game. I know it's risky calling it with McCaffery, but we let Darnold get way too much rhythm.
- Refs need to chill with the roughing-the-passer flag. Terrible ones called against both teams today.

Fair criticisms but you can't completely control that last one in some cases; but if you're gonna harass a QB, you gotta do it early, pick your spots...

Another positive to take away - it was clear from this game that Payton Turner is now our DE2, if not DE1, as Cam Jordan is definitely slowing down now...

While I believe in rotating, keeping DEs fresh, it's Cam that should've been coming out more for Granderson, especially on 3rd downs, as he was obviously gassed...

Granderson has no business being in there on early downs as he doesn't have the sand in his arse to anchor the edge vs the run...

Thought our DTs played above expectations, especially in goal line defense; they got lit up by tight officiating, but as said earlier, they gotta pick their spots...

The Dude · 09-19-2021, 05:46 PM

The defense played well enough to win in spite of everything until the end. We need offensive weapons period.

claus808 · 09-19-2021, 05:48 PM

Who Dat!!!! First and foremost. We had so many out for covid, I'm trying to not be one of those fans but it is what it is. I personally want to see Jameis launch it. Show what receivers can handle it and who can't. Hard to do with a shotty line like today. He looked scared, out of place. Huge step back today, but in reality, it played out the way it should of with our outages. We will get better, every week. Panties took advantage of our disadvantages... We are better than them, you all know this.

jeanpierre · 09-19-2021, 06:13 PM

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iceshack149 · 09-19-2021, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

https://twitter.com/MichaelFazende/s...87384052940800

That shows how important the other guy that handles the football on every snap is to his team.

That and the Saints receivers are broke.

dizzle88 · 09-19-2021, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

That shows how important the other guy that handles the football on every snap is to his team.

That and the Saints receivers are broke.

Ruiz and Peats game hasn't evolved in the slightest I see. Ignoring A and B gap pressure and letting letting QB get decked. Thank god Brees got out when he did.

SmashMouth · 09-19-2021, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

https://twitter.com/MichaelFazende/s...87384052940800

Makes my point even more salient.

jeanpierre · 09-19-2021, 06:20 PM

Well, just watched the Vikings shank an easy kick for the win vs the Cardinals - salve for the wounds...

iceshack149 · 09-19-2021, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, just watched the Vikings shank an easy kick for the win vs the Cardinals - salve for the wounds...

Yes. And in that vein of pettiness, I celebrate the Seahawks loss in OT in Seattle.

jeanpierre · 09-19-2021, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, just watched the Vikings shank an easy kick for the win vs the Cardinals - salve for the wounds...

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Yes. And in that vein of pettiness, I celebrate the Seahawks loss in OT in Seattle.

Not pettiness, Schadenfreude - And the schadenfreude is wonderful isn't it?

09-20-2021, 03:16 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by neugey Constructive criticism: - Drives me nuts when we start in pistol-like formation and shift to a normal shotgun. I think we could do more damage with the pistol similar to Chiefs and Cardinals. - The pitch to Kamara at the goal line was much too risky and we saw the huge negative result. Unless you are playing a defense that is absolutely gassed, I don't think that play works at the goalline in the NFL. Stuff the middle or call another play. - Play action on first down seemed kind of predictable and Panthers got us for huge losses on it. - I don't think we called a screen all game. Could've used a few to keep Winston from getting assaulted. - Needed to send more pressure vs Darnold earlier in the game. I know it's risky calling it with McCaffery, but we let Darnold get way too much rhythm. - Refs need to chill with the roughing-the-passer flag. Terrible ones called against both teams today. Fair criticisms but you can't completely control that last one in some cases; but if you're gonna harass a QB, you gotta do it early, pick your spots... Another positive to take away - it was clear from this game that Payton Turner is now our DE2, if not DE1, as Cam Jordan is definitely slowing down now... While I believe in rotating, keeping DEs fresh, it's Cam that should've been coming out more for Granderson, especially on 3rd downs, as he was obviously gassed... Granderson has no business being in there on early downs as he doesn't have the sand in his arse to anchor the edge vs the run... Thought our DTs played above expectations, especially in goal line defense; they got lit up by tight officiating, but as said earlier, they gotta pick their spots...
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09-19-2021, 05:46 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,075	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina The defense played well enough to win in spite of everything until the end. We need offensive weapons period. jnormand and jeanpierre like this.
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09-19-2021, 05:48 PM	#3
claus808 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 213	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Who Dat!!!! First and foremost. We had so many out for covid, I'm trying to not be one of those fans but it is what it is. I personally want to see Jameis launch it. Show what receivers can handle it and who can't. Hard to do with a shotty line like today. He looked scared, out of place. Huge step back today, but in reality, it played out the way it should of with our outages. We will get better, every week. Panties took advantage of our disadvantages... We are better than them, you all know this. Rell&Gold, Thirty3 and Boston Saint like this.

09-19-2021, 06:13 PM	#4
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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre https://twitter.com/MichaelFazende/s...87384052940800 That shows how important the other guy that handles the football on every snap is to his team. That and the Saints receivers are broke. jeanpierre likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,653	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by iceshack149 That shows how important the other guy that handles the football on every snap is to his team. That and the Saints receivers are broke. Ruiz and Peats game hasn't evolved in the slightest I see. Ignoring A and B gap pressure and letting letting QB get decked. Thank god Brees got out when he did.

09-19-2021, 07:36 PM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,200 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre https://twitter.com/MichaelFazende/s...87384052940800 Makes my point even more salient. jeanpierre likes this.

09-19-2021, 07:14 PM	#9
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,467 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, just watched the Vikings shank an easy kick for the win vs the Cardinals - salve for the wounds... Yes. And in that vein of pettiness, I celebrate the Seahawks loss in OT in Seattle. jeanpierre and Boston Saint like this.

09-19-2021, 07:32 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, just watched the Vikings shank an easy kick for the win vs the Cardinals - salve for the wounds... Originally Posted by iceshack149 Yes. And in that vein of pettiness, I celebrate the Seahawks loss in OT in Seattle. *Not pettiness, Schadenfreude* - And the schadenfreude is wonderful isn't it?** iceshack149 likes this.