Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 06:41 AM

Winston's own words -

“I have to take responsibility for communicating with the offensive line...Got to get us in better protections. Just communicate better out there.”

Agree that FatherTime had caught up to Brees; heck, was first here three years ago to point out Brees' declining arm strength, air yards per attempt...

But for those who complain that Brees was holding us back, you should also balance your criticism against what Brees brought to the table in pre-snap adjustments...

Even Moose Johnson acknowledged during the broadcast that no one was better at making adjustments before the snap but with his short, intermediate throws...

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 06:55 AM

For those that said we didn't run enough, if you have the time, accessibility, go back and watch the game, pause before each offensive snap...

And count the Panthers defenders in the box; rarely did they have less than eight in the box; so they knew they weren't going to let Kamara beat them...

The Panthers bet Winston couldn't beat them and they were right; he failed to call adjustments to his offensive line for protection - game difference...

neugey · 09-20-2021, 07:43 AM

Thank God Carolina is the team that has to play the quick turnaround this week and appear on Thursday night, not us. We have adjustments to make, players to heal and our assistant coaches need time to shake the 'vid. Need every day this week.

One bright spot I don't think that has been mentioned is Ty Montgomery. He has made some good plays in special teams and receiving the ball in the flat. I think we need to get him more involved, especially if ...
Deonte Harris can't get it going in the way we need him to. He is supposed to be our poor-man's Tyreek Hill in our offense, the speed guy to cause havok and create openings for other players, but it hasn't looked that way.

ChrisXVI · 09-20-2021, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Know I disagreed with Brother Chris during the game commentary, but thought Adebo played very well...

While he gave up short gains, that Michael Thomas 8-yard power-step-in route is hard to defend, he stopped all the big plays and made some crucial open-field tackles...

Should also mention that Adebo could've used some help from the DEs to knock down those quick low-trajectory passes as defenses adjusted vs Drew Brees...

Remember the Panthers have our playbook in Brady and he knows how to pick at even a good CB...

But as a rookie CB2, he had a very solid game and will learn to jump those routes and give those QBs pause, maybe enough for a sack or even a sack/fumble...

I think you’re right in your assessment. For what he was asked to do he did very well. In the moment I was a little put off by the catches he was allowing but the damage was pretty minimal.

winmill1 · 09-20-2021, 10:20 AM

I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause.

RailBoss · 09-20-2021, 10:42 AM

Saints have a history of making young QB's play extraordinary games against us. But in all fairness this game was a train-wreck from the start all the IR's and Covid Coach's out. We were doomed from the start.

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Thank God Carolina is the team that has to play the quick turnaround this week and appear on Thursday night, not us. We have adjustments to make, players to heal and our assistant coaches need time to shake the 'vid. Need every day this week.

One bright spot I don't think that has been mentioned is Ty Montgomery. He has made some good plays in special teams and receiving the ball in the flat. I think we need to get him more involved, especially if ...
Deonte Harris can't get it going in the way we need him to. He is supposed to be our poor-man's Tyreek Hill in our offense, the speed guy to cause havok and create openings for other players, but it hasn't looked that way.

Neugey, that's a great point that I wanted to pile on...

Ty Montgomery has become to our roster what Troy Brown was to the Patriots early dynasty - an all-around athlete who can assume a number of roles...

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 11:10 AM

jeanpierre · 09-20-2021, 11:14 AM

FinSaint · 09-20-2021, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by winmill1

I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause.

That's where not having your #1 and #2 WR really hurts - especially Thomas who was a pressure valve for Brees with the quick slants versus blitzes.

09-20-2021, 06:41 AM	#61
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Twitter Winston's own words - “I have to take responsibility for communicating with the offensive line...Got to get us in better protections. Just communicate better out there.” Agree that FatherTime had caught up to Brees; heck, was first here three years ago to point out Brees' declining arm strength, air yards per attempt... But for those who complain that Brees was holding us back, you should also balance your criticism against what Brees brought to the table in pre-snap adjustments... Even Moose Johnson acknowledged during the broadcast that no one was better at making adjustments before the snap but with his short, intermediate throws...
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09-20-2021, 06:55 AM	#62
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina For those that said we didn't run enough, if you have the time, accessibility, go back and watch the game, pause before each offensive snap... And count the Panthers defenders in the box; rarely did they have less than eight in the box; so they knew they weren't going to let Kamara beat them... The Panthers bet Winston couldn't beat them and they were right; he failed to call adjustments to his offensive line for protection - game difference...

09-20-2021, 07:43 AM	#63
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Thank God Carolina is the team that has to play the quick turnaround this week and appear on Thursday night, not us. We have adjustments to make, players to heal and our assistant coaches need time to shake the 'vid. Need every day this week. One bright spot I don't think that has been mentioned is Ty Montgomery. He has made some good plays in special teams and receiving the ball in the flat. I think we need to get him more involved, especially if ... Deonte Harris can't get it going in the way we need him to. He is supposed to be our poor-man's Tyreek Hill in our offense, the speed guy to cause havok and create openings for other players, but it hasn't looked that way. RailBoss and jeanpierre like this.

09-20-2021, 08:48 AM	#64
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by jeanpierre Know I disagreed with Brother Chris during the game commentary, but thought Adebo played very well... While he gave up short gains, that Michael Thomas 8-yard power-step-in route is hard to defend, he stopped all the big plays and made some crucial open-field tackles... Should also mention that Adebo could've used some help from the DEs to knock down those quick low-trajectory passes as defenses adjusted vs Drew Brees... Remember the Panthers have our playbook in Brady and he knows how to pick at even a good CB... But as a rookie CB2, he had a very solid game and will learn to jump those routes and give those QBs pause, maybe enough for a sack or even a sack/fumble... I think you’re right in your assessment. For what he was asked to do he did very well. In the moment I was a little put off by the catches he was allowing but the damage was pretty minimal. jeanpierre likes this.

09-20-2021, 10:20 AM	#65
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by neugey Thank God Carolina is the team that has to play the quick turnaround this week and appear on Thursday night, not us. We have adjustments to make, players to heal and our assistant coaches need time to shake the 'vid. Need every day this week. One bright spot I don't think that has been mentioned is Ty Montgomery. He has made some good plays in special teams and receiving the ball in the flat. I think we need to get him more involved, especially if ... Deonte Harris can't get it going in the way we need him to. He is supposed to be our poor-man's Tyreek Hill in our offense, the speed guy to cause havok and create openings for other players, but it hasn't looked that way. Neugey, that's a great point that I wanted to pile on... Ty Montgomery has become to our roster what Troy Brown was to the Patriots early dynasty - an all-around athlete who can assume a number of roles...

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09-20-2021, 11:31 AM	#70
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Observations from the Saints' loss to Carolina Originally Posted by winmill1 I worry that Jameis has been exposed with the blitz packages. Not only was he not adjusting the line pre-snap, even when he had time he was way off target. I think Taysom knows our system better. It seemed like Jameis was in the black and only having an offseason of half reps is the cause. That's where not having your #1 and #2 WR really hurts - especially Thomas who was a pressure valve for Brees with the quick slants versus blitzes. RailBoss likes this.