2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting

saintsfan1976 · 02-26-2022, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I don’t really want us to go defense in the first. It’s just looking a little more clear what kind of team we’re going to be: defense/run the ball. If we don’t go defense it’ll be LT.

You may be discounting Winston at QB.

Defense. Yes, absolutely. And why not?

Run the ball. Sure. Haven't we all been screaming at SP to run the ball more or at least with more consistency?

IMO, Jameis in the same offense with a couple upgraded weapons can burn a defense at any moment.

So maybe it's "balance" you're referring to. Which, believe it or not, does win games and Superbowls even.

I'm fine with a balanced attack and solid defense!

So if they shore up needs in FA then go with BPA in draft, how can you argue

jeanpierre · 02-26-2022, 10:03 AM

Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

saintfan · 02-26-2022, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

Thanks for putting some numbers to it - and I'm not suggesting we can't win with Jameis. I think we can. The honest look shows our offense, even when healthy and not Covid-stricken was not great. Not JETS bad, but not great. Something wasn't right. It's a new year, and with every new year there is new hope.

ChrisXVI · 02-26-2022, 10:27 AM

We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season.

K Major · 02-26-2022, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season.

This is why I continue to beat a dead horse on WR in the draft / free agency. The last 4 teams standing were DEEP (1-4) at those positions.

Saints would be foolish to ignore this ... again in 2022.

There will be playmakers available to us in Free Agency & on draft night.

K Major · 02-26-2022, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56...

Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter...

Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs...

Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers...

Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer...

5-2 (14 td/3 int ratio) as a QB in NO coach & throwing to "paltry" scrubs. Kinda hard to put up Madden numbers when your WR core is either practice squad material or a former 1st round busts. You've even mentioned it several times that Callaway should change jersey numbers. Saints need weapons at WR. Legit targets. Guys who can run routes.

Curious, who is the answer at QB in 2022 for New Orleans? Wentz? Mariota? Taysom Hill? Ian Book? The upcoming draft perhaps

Speaking of "overpaying"... what was the front office thinking with that Taysom Hill contract? That's a ton of money to give a guy who was injured & a backup. Sean Payton with a lot of lip service on "the next Steve Young is in the building" nonsense.

But I digress

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jeanpierre · 02-26-2022, 09:24 PM

saintfan · 02-27-2022, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season.

Exactly. We had zero playmakers...and while 'some' here (Speedo) argued otherwise, it was nonetheless accurate. Now we have 1 as long as he's healthy. 1 ain't enough.

K Major · 02-27-2022, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Exactly. We had zero playmakers...and while 'some' here (Speedo) argued otherwise, it was nonetheless accurate. Now we have 1 as long as he's healthy. 1 ain't enough.

Rell&Gold · 02-27-2022, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Lol no offense I would highly upset at this draft we passed up on A LOT of offensive firepower in this scenario not opposed to trading back just NOT for Matt Corral NFL comparison = Jalen Hurts IMO....Heavy RPO first reads NO way we win him in our first year over Jameis. Kenny Pickett Carson Strong Sam Howell Malik Willis I would take OVER Corral

02-26-2022, 09:27 AM	#501
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I don’t really want us to go defense in the first. It’s just looking a little more clear what kind of team we’re going to be: defense/run the ball. If we don’t go defense it’ll be LT. You may be discounting Winston at QB. Defense. Yes, absolutely. And why not? Run the ball. Sure. Haven't we all been screaming at SP to run the ball more or at least with more consistency? IMO, Jameis in the same offense with a couple upgraded weapons can burn a defense at any moment. So maybe it's "balance" you're referring to. Which, believe it or not, does win games and Superbowls even. I'm fine with a balanced attack and solid defense! So if they shore up needs in FA then go with BPA in draft, how can you argue ChrisXVI and Rell&Gold like this.

02-26-2022, 10:03 AM	#502
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56... Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter... Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs... Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers... Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer... turbo_dog likes this.
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02-26-2022, 10:22 AM	#503
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56... Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter... Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs... Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers... Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer... Thanks for putting some numbers to it - and I'm not suggesting we can't win with Jameis. I think we can. The honest look shows our offense, even when healthy and not Covid-stricken was not great. Not JETS bad, but not great. Something wasn't right. It's a new year, and with every new year there is new hope. jeanpierre likes this.

02-26-2022, 10:27 AM	#504
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season. turbo_dog, AsylumGuido, K Major and 1 others like this.

02-26-2022, 10:50 AM	#505
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season. This is why I continue to beat a dead horse on WR in the draft / free agency. The last 4 teams standing were DEEP (1-4) at those positions. Saints would be foolish to ignore this ... again in 2022. There will be playmakers available to us in Free Agency & on draft night. ChrisXVI, Rell&Gold and Boston Saint like this.

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02-26-2022, 11:32 AM	#506
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by jeanpierre Jameis Winston PaYds/Gm in 2021 - 148, 111, 128, 226, 279, 222, 56... Only one game over 250 PaYd; injured in the last game, but he was injured late in the second quarter... Of his 14 PaTDs, nine (9) came in two (2) of seven (7) games - the Green Bay outlier, and the other against a Redskins team missing three of its five DBs... Jameis Winston also had the benefit of playing with the healthier, better offensive linemen this past season and still that were his paltry numbers... Sorry, not sorry, Winston is overrated and we definitely shouldn't overpay - he's not the answer... 5-2 (14 td/3 int ratio) as a QB in NO coach & throwing to "paltry" scrubs. Kinda hard to put up Madden numbers when your WR core is either practice squad material or a former 1st round busts. You've even mentioned it several times that Callaway should change jersey numbers. Saints need weapons at WR. Legit targets. Guys who can run routes. Curious, who is the answer at QB in 2022 for New Orleans? Wentz? Mariota? Taysom Hill? Ian Book? The upcoming draft perhaps Speaking of "overpaying"... what was the front office thinking with that Taysom Hill contract? That's a ton of money to give a guy who was injured & a backup. Sean Payton with a lot of lip service on "the next Steve Young is in the building" nonsense. But I digress . Crusader, saintsfan1976 and Boston Saint like this.
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02-27-2022, 12:48 PM	#508
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We didn’t have a single starting-caliber WR or TE last season. Exactly. We had zero playmakers...and while 'some' here (Speedo) argued otherwise, it was nonetheless accurate. Now we have 1 as long as he's healthy. 1 ain't enough. ChrisXVI and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by saintfan Exactly. We had zero playmakers...and while 'some' here (Speedo) argued otherwise, it was nonetheless accurate. Now we have 1 as long as he's healthy. 1 ain't enough.

02-27-2022, 02:39 PM	#510
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: 2022 NFL Draft: Draft Prospects, Scouting Originally Posted by jeanpierre Lol no offense I would highly upset at this draft we passed up on A LOT of offensive firepower in this scenario not opposed to trading back just NOT for Matt Corral NFL comparison = Jalen Hurts IMO....Heavy RPO first reads NO way we win him in our first year over Jameis. Kenny Pickett Carson Strong Sam Howell Malik Willis I would take OVER Corral ChrisXVI, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

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