Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option

hitta · 02-17-2022, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Bryce Young can't help us coach.

Who is your Saints QB for 2022? They are still teeing it up in September.

Having MT back changes a lot of things. I'd go into camp with all 3 QBs competing for the role on equal footing and whoever comes out gets it. No one has really shown anything yet worthy of committing to. I've seen good moments from all of the QBs and bad moments as well. Having a consistent receiver will change how they all approach the offense.

K Major · 02-17-2022, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Having MT back changes a lot of things. I'd go into camp with all 3 QBs competing for the role on equal footing and whoever comes out gets it. No one has really shown anything yet worthy of committing to. I've seen good moments from all of the QBs and bad moments as well. Having a consistent receiver will change how they all approach the offense.

Who would YOU like to see as your starter for 2022 at QB?

Not asking for 3 QB's. Let's elimnate Ian Book because he's years away & it's highly unlikely the Saints resign Trevor Semian.

hitta · 02-18-2022, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Who would YOU like to see as your starter for 2022 at QB?

Not asking for 3 QB's. Let's elimnate Ian Book because he's years away & it's highly unlikely the Saints resign Trevor Semian.

I think Taysom would be the guy I'd go with because I think he has the higher upside and if he fails we'll just have a great draft spot.

Boston Saint · 02-17-2022, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Having MT back changes a lot of things. I'd go into camp with all 3 QBs competing for the role on equal footing and whoever comes out gets it. No one has really shown anything yet worthy of committing to. I've seen good moments from all of the QBs and bad moments as well. Having a consistent receiver will change how they all approach the offense.

What 3 QBs do you mean hitta? Book, Hill, and Bortles?

Boston Saint · 02-17-2022, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

The reason I don't want Jameis Winston as the QB is that I think that this new generation of QB is going to be better than the last generation of QB. I think guys like Tua and Lawrence are eventually going to be really good QBs. You already have guys like Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes. You have some of the older guys in there like Rodgers and Stafford. We're living in an age where it's going to be hard to win a Superbowl without a guy leading your team that is at the very least incredibly proficient. I think Jameis would have been ok 10 years ago, but not now. What stands out to me is the Titans-Bengals game. You have an above average but not great QB on one side and a young prodigy on the otherside who is fearless. The Titans were the best team all year long. You had a close game. Titans have a chance to go down and win the game, Tannehill throws a pick(though you could argue it wasn't his fault). A QB inspires his team though. Burrow made both the offense and defense better for the Bengals just by being who he was. He gets the ball and does what Tannehill couldn't... throws a great sideline pass. Kicker kicks the FG and they go on to the AFC title game. A team that shouldn't even be competitive on paper beats the either the best or second best team in the league on paper. I don't think we can win a Super Bowl anymore with just having a decent QB and a strong defense. You don't even have to have a great offense tbh, but you have to have that guy that every knows they can rely on when the time is ripe. I don't feel like Winston is that. I really really really want Bryce Young. I think the guy is another one of those prodigies coming up... a guy I think will be a better version of Russell Wilson. We need to get our hands on a guy like that somehow otherwise we are going to be stuck going 9-8, 8-9, 10-7, 7-10 for a long time and are going to struggle to win any playoff games we get. This years draft isn't that impressive at the QB position imo. I think we should start accumulating draft stock.

Good points. I’d agree having a young stud QB like the guys you mentioned would be great, but they aren’t available right now. Winston is. Winning a SB might be a long shot for a while. Winning our division next year would be a
good start though. I think they could do that with Winston.

Boston Saint · 02-17-2022, 09:00 PM

Let’s look at another recent QB in the news with Kyler Murray. He’s having some kind of issues with the Cards. He may be available. Would he be better than Winston? IDK. Murray may more physical upside. Winston at this point seems to have more maturity and a better attitude.

RailBoss · 02-17-2022, 11:51 PM

I'm actually looking forward to Doug Marrone coming in to work with the O-line. And with Donny Dalrymple out the door hopefully positive changes have come.

ChrisXVI · 02-18-2022, 07:48 AM

Ramczyk has to be named an All-Pro at LT and he’ll get $1 million extra. It’s not like the contract says just play LT and you’ll get $5 mil/yr extra. I think he stays at RT and we draft a LT.

MatthewT · 02-18-2022, 08:11 AM

I know some will cringe when I say this, but don't rule out a healthy Peat sliding over to LT if necessary.

K Major · 02-18-2022, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

I know some will cringe when I say this, but don't rule out a healthy Peat sliding over to LT if necessary.

Tumbleweed Peat has SLOW feet and non athletic for tackle.

He’d get a QB killed.

Dougie M will confirm that later at training camp.

02-17-2022, 09:17 PM	#1
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by K Major Bryce Young can't help us coach. Who is your Saints QB for 2022? They are still teeing it up in September. Having MT back changes a lot of things. I'd go into camp with all 3 QBs competing for the role on equal footing and whoever comes out gets it. No one has really shown anything yet worthy of committing to. I've seen good moments from all of the QBs and bad moments as well. Having a consistent receiver will change how they all approach the offense.
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02-17-2022, 09:30 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by hitta Having MT back changes a lot of things. I'd go into camp with all 3 QBs competing for the role on equal footing and whoever comes out gets it. No one has really shown anything yet worthy of committing to. I've seen good moments from all of the QBs and bad moments as well. Having a consistent receiver will change how they all approach the offense. Who would YOU like to see as your starter for 2022 at QB? Not asking for 3 QB's. Let's elimnate Ian Book because he's years away & it's highly unlikely the Saints resign Trevor Semian.

02-18-2022, 11:22 AM	#3
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by K Major Who would YOU like to see as your starter for 2022 at QB? Not asking for 3 QB's. Let's elimnate Ian Book because he's years away & it's highly unlikely the Saints resign Trevor Semian. I think Taysom would be the guy I'd go with because I think he has the higher upside and if he fails we'll just have a great draft spot. jeanpierre likes this.
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02-17-2022, 09:30 PM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by hitta Having MT back changes a lot of things. I'd go into camp with all 3 QBs competing for the role on equal footing and whoever comes out gets it. No one has really shown anything yet worthy of committing to. I've seen good moments from all of the QBs and bad moments as well. Having a consistent receiver will change how they all approach the offense. What 3 QBs do you mean hitta? Book, Hill, and Bortles?

02-17-2022, 08:55 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by hitta The reason I don't want Jameis Winston as the QB is that I think that this new generation of QB is going to be better than the last generation of QB. I think guys like Tua and Lawrence are eventually going to be really good QBs. You already have guys like Herbert, Burrow, Mahomes. You have some of the older guys in there like Rodgers and Stafford. We're living in an age where it's going to be hard to win a Superbowl without a guy leading your team that is at the very least incredibly proficient. I think Jameis would have been ok 10 years ago, but not now. What stands out to me is the Titans-Bengals game. You have an above average but not great QB on one side and a young prodigy on the otherside who is fearless. The Titans were the best team all year long. You had a close game. Titans have a chance to go down and win the game, Tannehill throws a pick(though you could argue it wasn't his fault). A QB inspires his team though. Burrow made both the offense and defense better for the Bengals just by being who he was. He gets the ball and does what Tannehill couldn't... throws a great sideline pass. Kicker kicks the FG and they go on to the AFC title game. A team that shouldn't even be competitive on paper beats the either the best or second best team in the league on paper. I don't think we can win a Super Bowl anymore with just having a decent QB and a strong defense. You don't even have to have a great offense tbh, but you have to have that guy that every knows they can rely on when the time is ripe. I don't feel like Winston is that. I really really really want Bryce Young. I think the guy is another one of those prodigies coming up... a guy I think will be a better version of Russell Wilson. We need to get our hands on a guy like that somehow otherwise we are going to be stuck going 9-8, 8-9, 10-7, 7-10 for a long time and are going to struggle to win any playoff games we get. This years draft isn't that impressive at the QB position imo. I think we should start accumulating draft stock. Good points. I’d agree having a young stud QB like the guys you mentioned would be great, but they aren’t available right now. Winston is. Winning a SB might be a long shot for a while. Winning our division next year would be a good start though. I think they could do that with Winston. Rugby Saint II likes this.

02-17-2022, 09:00 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Let’s look at another recent QB in the news with Kyler Murray. He’s having some kind of issues with the Cards. He may be available. Would he be better than Winston? IDK. Murray may more physical upside. Winston at this point seems to have more maturity and a better attitude. MatthewT likes this.

02-17-2022, 11:51 PM	#7
RailBoss 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South Of The Mason Dixon Line Posts: 7,113	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option I'm actually looking forward to Doug Marrone coming in to work with the O-line. And with Donny Dalrymple out the door hopefully positive changes have come. Crusader, Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

02-18-2022, 07:48 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Ramczyk has to be named an All-Pro at LT and he’ll get $1 million extra. It’s not like the contract says just play LT and you’ll get $5 mil/yr extra. I think he stays at RT and we draft a LT. Crusader likes this.

02-18-2022, 08:11 AM	#9
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option I know some will cringe when I say this, but don't rule out a healthy Peat sliding over to LT if necessary.

02-18-2022, 08:41 AM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Jameis Winston is STILL Saints best QB option Originally Posted by MatthewT I know some will cringe when I say this, but don't rule out a healthy Peat sliding over to LT if necessary. Tumbleweed Peat has SLOW feet and non athletic for tackle. He’d get a QB killed. Dougie M will confirm that later at training camp. Rugby Saint II and shawnkytonk like this.