Do you rest Winston?

Boston Saint · 09-23-2022, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

While I agree with you on some points, his decision making is what was worrisome. He sucked balls. Spade a spade bro.

Yeah, it did suck late in the game. He admitted as much himself.

K Major · 09-23-2022, 03:35 PM

Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football.

IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely.

Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa.

Boston Saint · 09-23-2022, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football.

IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely.

Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa.

It was a killer no doubt.

AsylumGuido · 09-23-2022, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football.

IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely.

Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa.

Yeah. Like I said, it totally changed the atmosphere in the Dome.

BakoSaint · 09-23-2022, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Andy Dalton had six starts last season with the Bears. He had 8 TD's and 9 picks. He averaged 189.4 ypg passing and was sacked 18 times. He had his career low QB rating at 76.9 and 2nd highest sack rate. While he's better than Siemian and Book, he certainly is no longer anything to write home about.

I agree with you on this. Dalton is not likely to be amazing. Play him only if Winston is hurt enough to be worse.

I would also say this is why it was probably not advisable to sign him while it still affected compensatory pick calculations and may cost us a pick down the road. We could probably have gotten him later when it didnt affect the calculations and if not, well, there are other solid backups and he isnt the greatest. It might have been smart to ask Sean Payton which mid round QB prospect he thought was the worst in the 2022 draft and pick that guy. Probably would have found the next Tom Brady givens Sean track record with mid round QB picks, but at least we would have been able to try out someone with a possible long future if Winston doesnt work out. Dalton is probably just Winston 0.5.

cmike · 09-23-2022, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

IDK, maybe again I’m being optimistic, but Inthink a big part of the “poor” performance can be explained by playing a VERY good Tampa D. They’ve shut down the Saints and Dallas…2 teams that were expected to have good Offenses.

Winston didn’t get a lot of preseason work with the WRs. Kamara didn’t play. If Ingram doesn’t fumble at the 10 we punch it in and it’s a different ballgame. Can’t overreact to a close loss to a league darling when the refs are screwing you.

Our D has made Brady look like an avg. guy 5 straight games (including playoffs). So, I’m not worried that the Bucs did it to Jameis once.
Heck fun fact: in the Bucs 2 SB seasons, they didn’t win any of their regular season games against us.
So after 2 games, our season is far from over.

saintsfan1976 · 09-24-2022, 10:16 AM

Jameis Winston has arguably more at his disposal than Drew Brees had for the last several seasons. Including an elite defense.

JW doesn't need to be Drew Brees. Just run the offense and keep mistakes to a minimum.

If he can't handle those two aspects then yes, we give Dalton a chance.

WhoDat!656 · 09-24-2022, 05:11 PM

I maybe in the minority on this one, but I don't blame the fumble on Ingram.

He wasn't holding the ball like a loaf of bread; IIRC he had both arms around the ball. The defender just made a good play.

AsylumGuido · 09-24-2022, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

I maybe in the minority on this one, but I don't blame the fumble on Ingram.

He wasn't holding the ball like a loaf of bread; IIRC he had both arms around the ball. The defender just made a good play.

I don't disagree with that at all. But the fact is that the fumble did totally change the complexation of the game. I don't blame Ingram personally, but note the fumble was critical.

WhoDat!656 · 09-24-2022, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't disagree with that at all. But the fact is that the fumble did totally change the complexation of the game. I don't blame Ingram personally, but note the fumble was critical.

I agree.

09-23-2022, 03:28 PM	#11
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by jnormand While I agree with you on some points, his decision making is what was worrisome. He sucked balls. Spade a spade bro. Yeah, it did suck late in the game. He admitted as much himself. jnormand likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Do you rest Winston? Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football. IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely. Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa. subguy, leilung and Boston Saint like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by K Major Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football. IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely. Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa. It was a killer no doubt. subguy likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by K Major Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football. IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely. Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa. Yeah. Like I said, it totally changed the atmosphere in the Dome.

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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,173	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Andy Dalton had six starts last season with the Bears. He had 8 TD's and 9 picks. He averaged 189.4 ypg passing and was sacked 18 times. He had his career low QB rating at 76.9 and 2nd highest sack rate. While he's better than Siemian and Book, he certainly is no longer anything to write home about. I agree with you on this. Dalton is not likely to be amazing. Play him only if Winston is hurt enough to be worse. I would also say this is why it was probably not advisable to sign him while it still affected compensatory pick calculations and may cost us a pick down the road. We could probably have gotten him later when it didnt affect the calculations and if not, well, there are other solid backups and he isnt the greatest. It might have been smart to ask Sean Payton which mid round QB prospect he thought was the worst in the 2022 draft and pick that guy. Probably would have found the next Tom Brady givens Sean track record with mid round QB picks, but at least we would have been able to try out someone with a possible long future if Winston doesnt work out. Dalton is probably just Winston 0.5.
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09-23-2022, 11:09 PM	#16
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,430	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by Boston Saint IDK, maybe again I’m being optimistic, but Inthink a big part of the “poor” performance can be explained by playing a VERY good Tampa D. They’ve shut down the Saints and Dallas…2 teams that were expected to have good Offenses. Winston didn’t get a lot of preseason work with the WRs. Kamara didn’t play. If Ingram doesn’t fumble at the 10 we punch it in and it’s a different ballgame. Can’t overreact to a close loss to a league darling when the refs are screwing you. Our D has made Brady look like an avg. guy 5 straight games (including playoffs). So, I’m not worried that the Bucs did it to Jameis once. Heck fun fact: in the Bucs 2 SB seasons, they didn’t win any of their regular season games against us. So after 2 games, our season is far from over. Boston Saint likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Do you rest Winston? Jameis Winston has arguably more at his disposal than Drew Brees had for the last several seasons. Including an elite defense. JW doesn't need to be Drew Brees. Just run the offense and keep mistakes to a minimum. If he can't handle those two aspects then yes, we give Dalton a chance. jnormand and AsylumGuido like this.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: Do you rest Winston? I maybe in the minority on this one, but I don't blame the fumble on Ingram. He wasn't holding the ball like a loaf of bread; IIRC he had both arms around the ball. The defender just made a good play. neugey, AsylumGuido and SmashMouth like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 I maybe in the minority on this one, but I don't blame the fumble on Ingram. He wasn't holding the ball like a loaf of bread; IIRC he had both arms around the ball. The defender just made a good play. I don't disagree with that at all. But the fact is that the fumble did totally change the complexation of the game. I don't blame Ingram personally, but note the fumble was critical. neugey likes this.

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WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,062	Re: Do you rest Winston? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't disagree with that at all. But the fact is that the fumble did totally change the complexation of the game. I don't blame Ingram personally, but note the fumble was critical. I agree. AsylumGuido likes this.