Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings

TheOak · 10-06-2022, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Fair enough Oak. Sounds like you agree with my main point of the refs sharing blame for the Saints losses. I don’t think the NFL has done all they can in minimizing the impact of “bad calls” on a game. The whole challenge system has flaws. They could better train and pay the refs (or instruct them not to cheat).

I will also say that baseball has done a lot of rule changes lately. Universal DH, automatic walks, minimum three batter facing for pitchers. Next year starts pitch clock and shift banning. All done in effort to speed the game or increase runs (i.e. make it more of an entertainment).

Boston, I fully agree with how crappy Referees and Umpires are. Bad officiating has been part of football and baseball as long as bad grass has. That hasn't changed in the 4 decades that I have been playing sports. I also agree that the NFL is not doing all they can to correct the problem. Where we differ is that I don't see the NFL feeling motivated to address the issue until it effects revenue and we both know that is not going to happen. Fans cant stay away, therefor the league will never see it a necessity. For what it is worth, I also don't let my daughters blame the teachers when they don't make the grades they should.. unless their score is the highest in the class. If someone else can manage to win with terrible officiating, then so should we.

All of what you listed speeds up the MLB game, looking at 22 players every play for penalties is not going to have the same effect and it is not until you fix the no-calls that you can fix the calls because all Ref's have to do is not call critical penalties and there is nothing to review. Pass interference can cause a team to lose a score as much as not calling pass interference on critical plays.

10-06-2022, 09:46 AM	#11
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by Boston Saint Fair enough Oak. Sounds like you agree with my main point of the refs sharing blame for the Saints losses. I don’t think the NFL has done all they can in minimizing the impact of “bad calls” on a game. The whole challenge system has flaws. They could better train and pay the refs (or instruct them not to cheat). I will also say that baseball has done a lot of rule changes lately. Universal DH, automatic walks, minimum three batter facing for pitchers. Next year starts pitch clock and shift banning. All done in effort to speed the game or increase runs (i.e. make it more of an entertainment). Boston, I fully agree with how crappy Referees and Umpires are. Bad officiating has been part of football and baseball as long as bad grass has. That hasn't changed in the 4 decades that I have been playing sports. I also agree that the NFL is not doing all they can to correct the problem. Where we differ is that I don't see the NFL feeling motivated to address the issue until it effects revenue and we both know that is not going to happen. Fans cant stay away, therefor the league will never see it a necessity. For what it is worth, I also don't let my daughters blame the teachers when they don't make the grades they should.. unless their score is the highest in the class. If someone else can manage to win with terrible officiating, then so should we. All of what you listed speeds up the MLB game, looking at 22 players every play for penalties is not going to have the same effect and it is not until you fix the no-calls that you can fix the calls because all Ref's have to do is not call critical penalties and there is nothing to review. Pass interference can cause a team to lose a score as much as not calling pass interference on critical plays. AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.
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