Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings

Boston Saint · 10-06-2022, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Boston, I fully agree with how crappy Referees and Umpires are. Bad officiating has been part of football and baseball as long as bad grass has. That hasn't changed in the 4 decades that I have been playing sports. I also agree that the NFL is not doing all they can to correct the problem. Where we differ is that I don't see the NFL feeling motivated to address the issue until it effects revenue and we both know that is not going to happen. Fans cant stay away, therefor the league will never see it a necessity. For what it is worth, I also don't let my daughters blame the teachers when they don't make the grades they should.. unless their score is the highest in the class. If someone else can manage to win with terrible officiating, then so should we.

All of what you listed speeds up the MLB game, looking at 22 players every play for penalties is not going to have the same effect and it is not until you fix the no-calls that you can fix the calls because all Ref's have to do is not call critical penalties and there is nothing to review. Pass interference can cause a team to lose a score as much as not calling pass interference on critical plays.

Pretty much agree Oak. A couple of points though;

The ability to challenge a call on the bases in MLB wasn’t done to speed the game, it was done to get it right. Review of fair/foul balls likewise. (On a tangent I don’t think MLB realizes that getting more offense by shift banning, universal DH etc will make games go longer as more runs are scored). Game time aside the changes baseball has made have made the game MORE fairly called. That will continue with balls/strikes soon as well. I don’t think the same can be said of football.

I’m not saying I have the answers. And some fans like my brother are staying away because of the BS calls. I guess my stance is since so many PIs/holds etc aren’t called it makes it doubly BS when ticky tac calls like the hands to the face and PI on the last drive of the Minnesota game ARE called. It’s too selective. The best solution would be better refs, but the NFL refuses to aid that endeavor (i think because they will lose their control of outcomes).

If your daughters aren’t making grades because the teacher is doing something unethical that isn’t happening to other students than you darn sure would be blaming the teachers and doing something about it.

I fully agree the NFL doesn’t want to fix the problem. I think it’s rigged similarly to rastlin’. And yes, this includes our SB season. I don’t put MLB in the same category. They care about the true outcome.

CheramieIII · 10-07-2022, 02:45 PM

I really think we need to look at QB, receivers and running backs! I’m really beginning to believe we need to trade Thomas for a first rounder next year if possible! Too many nagging injuries in my opinion! QB is obviously our target in the draft and I think we need to do everything possible to get the best prospect available! Then bring in another WR and lots of RB’s!

10-06-2022, 11:33 AM	#71
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by TheOak Boston, I fully agree with how crappy Referees and Umpires are. Bad officiating has been part of football and baseball as long as bad grass has. That hasn't changed in the 4 decades that I have been playing sports. I also agree that the NFL is not doing all they can to correct the problem. Where we differ is that I don't see the NFL feeling motivated to address the issue until it effects revenue and we both know that is not going to happen. Fans cant stay away, therefor the league will never see it a necessity. For what it is worth, I also don't let my daughters blame the teachers when they don't make the grades they should.. unless their score is the highest in the class. If someone else can manage to win with terrible officiating, then so should we. All of what you listed speeds up the MLB game, looking at 22 players every play for penalties is not going to have the same effect and it is not until you fix the no-calls that you can fix the calls because all Ref's have to do is not call critical penalties and there is nothing to review. Pass interference can cause a team to lose a score as much as not calling pass interference on critical plays. Pretty much agree Oak. A couple of points though; The ability to challenge a call on the bases in MLB wasn’t done to speed the game, it was done to get it right. Review of fair/foul balls likewise. (On a tangent I don’t think MLB realizes that getting more offense by shift banning, universal DH etc will make games go longer as more runs are scored). Game time aside the changes baseball has made have made the game MORE fairly called. That will continue with balls/strikes soon as well. I don’t think the same can be said of football. I’m not saying I have the answers. And some fans like my brother are staying away because of the BS calls. I guess my stance is since so many PIs/holds etc aren’t called it makes it doubly BS when ticky tac calls like the hands to the face and PI on the last drive of the Minnesota game ARE called. It’s too selective. The best solution would be better refs, but the NFL refuses to aid that endeavor (i think because they will lose their control of outcomes). If your daughters aren’t making grades because the teacher is doing something unethical that isn’t happening to other students than you darn sure would be blaming the teachers and doing something about it. I fully agree the NFL doesn’t want to fix the problem. I think it’s rigged similarly to rastlin’. And yes, this includes our SB season. I don’t put MLB in the same category. They care about the true outcome.
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10-07-2022, 02:45 PM	#72
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings I really think we need to look at QB, receivers and running backs! I’m really beginning to believe we need to trade Thomas for a first rounder next year if possible! Too many nagging injuries in my opinion! QB is obviously our target in the draft and I think we need to do everything possible to get the best prospect available! Then bring in another WR and lots of RB’s!

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