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Old 10-18-2022, 11:48 AM   #1
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Old 10-18-2022, 11:49 AM   #2
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The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.
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Old 10-18-2022, 11:58 AM   #3
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The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.
I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past.
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Old 10-18-2022, 12:01 PM   #4
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I believe there has also been a shift in philosophy when it comes to injuries versus being hurt. I believe most teams, and especially the Saints, have become ultra conservative when it comes to the player's health. It seems that players are being made to sit out games where they would have just "played through the pain" in the past.
This is my opinion as well. I'm not sure if it's the team or the players driving the change.
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Old 10-18-2022, 02:34 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II View Post
The CBA has watered down the game. No tackling most of camp has led to sloppy tackles and injuries as well. These guys are not used to playing full speed and it shows in the game. No contact in practice has translated to the field.

Players aren't used to slugging it out and are getting injured because they are not conditioned for the actual hitting that takes place in every game after the kickoff. It's kind of like boxing in that they spar and box when they are training to get used to it when peoplestart hitting you hard.
Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be
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Partially agree here. There have been less major injur9es during training camp. You want more contact more injuries? Or Less contact less injuries? If your team was severely impacted by performance due to not making 10 extra tackles during training camp it want meant to be
Good points. Added to the “Less contact less injury” idea is “Less contact (fieldtime) less cohesiveness”. It’s not surprising Dalton can make throws to Callaway and Smith….They got more practice and playing time together than Thomas/Landry/Winston did.
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Old 10-18-2022, 12:28 PM   #7
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First off, concussions are a different ball of wax. After the Tua situation, both sides are being cautious.

And QB position is a separate category from other players. Mainly because they are the only player at their position on the field. So Watson may want to play but the staff is saying no because his injury is too hampering to his performance.

But I don’t believe that non QB, Non concussion injured players are being held back by the team more than the players themselves. In other words there isn’t someone on the Saints telling Thomas he can’t play. It’s Thomas saying he’s not ready.

Maybe I’m wrong.

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First off, concussions are a different ball of wax. After the Tua situation, both sides are being cautious.

And QB position is a separate category from other players. Mainly because they are the only player at their position on the field. So Watson may want to play but the staff is saying no because his injury is too hampering to his performance.

But I don’t believe that non QB, Non concussion injured players are being held back by the team more than the players themselves. In other words there isn’t someone on the Saints telling Thomas he can’t play. It’s Thomas saying he’s not ready.

Maybe I’m wrong.
Totally disagree. It's common knowledge that the medical staff has the ultimate say and total veto power these days as to any player returning to play regardless of injury. Why would any player refuse to play when fully cleared by the medical staff? Especially a player like Thomas that is so driven to be the best? It makes no sense. Not to mention that many players have some sort of incentives built in to their contracts. Not playing costs them money.

And don't forget that the Saints front office shared with the Saints beat writers that Thomas' turf toe injury was on about a four week recovery window. That will be after this coming week at best.

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Old 10-18-2022, 05:22 PM   #9
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It's getting closer to a Penning return it seems.

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Totally disagree. It's common knowledge that the medical staff has the ultimate say and total veto power these days as to any player returning to play regardless of injury. Why would any player refuse to play when fully cleared by the medical staff? Especially a player like Thomas that is so driven to be the best? It makes no sense. Not to mention that many players have some sort of incentives built in to their contracts. Not playing costs them money.

And don't forget that the Saints front office shared with the Saints beat writers that Thomas' turf toe injury was on about a four week recovery window. That will be after this coming week at best.
All of what happens, or is written about what happens, or speculations about the quality of the field at any given stadium is separate from the basic question. Is it the players Decision or the teams? The truth is some of each of course.

If player X is questionable for team A, then the Decision on if X plays (assuming X is outside of the earlier mentioned QB/concussion subgroup) depends on many variables: player’s health, team record, depth at position, etc. I’d hope we agree on this, right? For example the need for a guy at say 65% to return for a 5-1 team that is getting by at WR is different than a 2-4 team that is playing undrafted guys. Agreed?

So, in the Saints case, knowing they have receivers out, and knowing Thomas is paid to be a top WR, and knowing the team needs to win and the playoff window is closing, I do not believe the Saints staff is telling Thomas to sit while Thomas is saying, “No, I can play!”.

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