Week Eight QB Debate

papz · 10-27-2022, 03:10 PM

It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by papz

It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team.

I don't know. I have heard so many times that all teams run the same basic plays and it comes down to when they are used, how efficiently they are used, and with what personnel that makes them successful. There's different terminology, but the plays themselves and the concepts remain the same. I thought he had described this play as one of those basic ones and that's why Callaway wasn't even looking back for the ball yet.

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 03:59 PM

"Carries weight" - Sure.

"Infallible" - No way Jose.

It's his opinion, based on his experience. Yes, very extensive but still an opinion.

Quit citing others' opinions and telling us here that we're wrong in ours.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

"Carries weight" - Sure.

"Infallible" - No way Jose.

It's his opinion, based on his experience. Yes, very extensive but still an opinion.

Quit citing others' opinions and telling us here that we're wrong in ours.

Not saying your wrong, but may not be right given the overwhelming evidence. But y'all go ahead and blame Callaway on that one pick. Dalton is what he's always been. He'll make some good plays and he'll make some bonehead plays and he'll usually choke in the big moments. I hope that's not the case moving forward, but at this point he's a placeholder and IF Winston is truly still hampered by injury I can see him being needed to hold that place.

That said, we'll still go on a run starting this weekend and win the division.

dizzle88 · 10-27-2022, 04:58 PM

All in All, I think we can all see neither QB are the future, the only thing Winston has proven to this point is he'll make the same 30 interception type mistakes, if you put him in the situation.
Dalton seems less chaotic in the pocket, but he is who he always has been.

QB needs to be very high up on the draft or FA list this off-season.

Let's get a young QB, trade or release the cap heavy underperformers and build a team around a young signal caller

Sure, we'd suck for a few years, but how is that different from now? The only difference is we'd have more money to spend.

Thirty3 · 10-27-2022, 06:22 PM

Read that Dalton is the guy. I've said for two years that Winston would be benched by week six. Well, injuries aside...he's supposedly healthy now... and he is benched. Took them two years to figure that out. Dalton definately the most developed/experienced. Hill is being wasted as a jack of all trades. Wasted and damaged. Let him finish out the season. A guy that dynamic should have his hands on the ball every offensive play. Remember that he has never played QB with an offensive team here that was anywhere near healthy.

SmashMouth · 10-27-2022, 06:37 PM

Supposedly the red Rocket has the third best rating in the NFL

halloween 65 · 10-27-2022, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Supposedly the red Rocket has the third best rating in the NFL

If we focus on the run game he can be a very good game manager. Short to mid throws and still can get the deep ball downfield from time to time. I want Coleman who the 9ers just cut to help things along.

SmashMouth · 10-27-2022, 08:38 PM

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subguy · 10-28-2022, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You need to check out the excellent film study of Dalton in that game done by Kurt Warner that I believe neugey posted a couple of days ago. All three picks were his fault. The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned.

The one in the end zone was caused by hesitation by Dalton. Warner pointed out that he did a "hitch" before releasing the ball that gave the coverage time to get there. This wasn't a hatchet job either by Warner. He said he likes Dalton, but they were all his fault in that game.

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7nZjf9I6w

Still fighting to prove your right about something you have zero decision in. Winston isn't starting this week, get over it! I know AG, Winston Winston Winston. The folks on the inside actually made a decision. Regardless of what a talking head on TV says about Dalton, he will be the starter this week

Face facts, like it or not, both of the players you have shilled for and built your shrines to, have been a let down this half of the season.

It's okay to be wrong, but it's not okay to never admit it. And it's even less okay to continue to attempt to prove your right when it has been clearly proven, you are wrong.

As I said before the season, and into this season, I hoped you would be right and both of your mancrushes would deliver us a winning season. For that I would gladly eat a plate of crow, but to this point, that isn't the case. My knife, fork, salt & pepper and Tabasco are at the ready.

10-27-2022, 03:10 PM	#71
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,737	Re: Week Eight QB Debate It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team.

10-27-2022, 03:33 PM	#72
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by papz It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team. I don't know. I have heard so many times that all teams run the same basic plays and it comes down to when they are used, how efficiently they are used, and with what personnel that makes them successful. There's different terminology, but the plays themselves and the concepts remain the same. I thought he had described this play as one of those basic ones and that's why Callaway wasn't even looking back for the ball yet.

10-27-2022, 03:59 PM	#73
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,806 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate "Carries weight" - Sure. "Infallible" - No way Jose. It's his opinion, based on his experience. Yes, very extensive but still an opinion. Quit citing others' opinions and telling us here that we're wrong in ours. K Major likes this.

10-27-2022, 04:33 PM	#74
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 "Carries weight" - Sure. "Infallible" - No way Jose. It's his opinion, based on his experience. Yes, very extensive but still an opinion. Quit citing others' opinions and telling us here that we're wrong in ours. Not saying your wrong, but may not be right given the overwhelming evidence. But y'all go ahead and blame Callaway on that one pick. Dalton is what he's always been. He'll make some good plays and he'll make some bonehead plays and he'll usually choke in the big moments. I hope that's not the case moving forward, but at this point he's a placeholder and IF Winston is truly still hampered by injury I can see him being needed to hold that place. That said, we'll still go on a run starting this weekend and win the division.
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10-27-2022, 04:58 PM	#75
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,118	Re: Week Eight QB Debate All in All, I think we can all see neither QB are the future, the only thing Winston has proven to this point is he'll make the same 30 interception type mistakes, if you put him in the situation. Dalton seems less chaotic in the pocket, but he is who he always has been. QB needs to be very high up on the draft or FA list this off-season. Let's get a young QB, trade or release the cap heavy underperformers and build a team around a young signal caller Sure, we'd suck for a few years, but how is that different from now? The only difference is we'd have more money to spend. saintsfan1976 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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10-27-2022, 06:22 PM	#76
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Read that Dalton is the guy. I've said for two years that Winston would be benched by week six. Well, injuries aside...he's supposedly healthy now... and he is benched. Took them two years to figure that out. Dalton definately the most developed/experienced. Hill is being wasted as a jack of all trades. Wasted and damaged. Let him finish out the season. A guy that dynamic should have his hands on the ball every offensive play. Remember that he has never played QB with an offensive team here that was anywhere near healthy.
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10-27-2022, 06:37 PM	#77
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,044 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Supposedly the red Rocket has the third best rating in the NFL halloween 65 likes this.

10-27-2022, 06:45 PM	#78
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by SmashMouth Supposedly the red Rocket has the third best rating in the NFL If we focus on the run game he can be a very good game manager. Short to mid throws and still can get the deep ball downfield from time to time. I want Coleman who the 9ers just cut to help things along.

10-28-2022, 12:04 AM	#80
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,092	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You need to check out the excellent film study of Dalton in that game done by Kurt Warner that I believe neugey posted a couple of days ago. All three picks were his fault. The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned. The one in the end zone was caused by hesitation by Dalton. Warner pointed out that he did a "hitch" before releasing the ball that gave the coverage time to get there. This wasn't a hatchet job either by Warner. He said he likes Dalton, but they were all his fault in that game. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7nZjf9I6w Still fighting to prove your right about something you have zero decision in. Winston isn't starting this week, get over it! I know AG, Winston Winston Winston. The folks on the inside actually made a decision. Regardless of what a talking head on TV says about Dalton, he will be the starter this week Face facts, like it or not, both of the players you have shilled for and built your shrines to, have been a let down this half of the season. It's okay to be wrong, but it's not okay to never admit it. And it's even less okay to continue to attempt to prove your right when it has been clearly proven, you are wrong. As I said before the season, and into this season, I hoped you would be right and both of your mancrushes would deliver us a winning season. For that I would gladly eat a plate of crow, but to this point, that isn't the case. My knife, fork, salt & pepper and Tabasco are at the ready. iceshack149 and K Major like this.
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