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Rugby Saint II 01-28-2023 10:19 AM

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Don't good team bring in assistant coaches to be ready to take over when a coach gets poached? It's about time to bring in some fresh faces. Although, that might not play into the Saints scenario of continuity.

K Major 01-28-2023 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 968106)
Unfortunately, Dennis Allen will never be the man. History has proven that to be true. But he's got one more season to turn that around. Good luck with that.

+1. And has the lowest winning percentage of all four NFC South coaches :rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 01-29-2023 01:51 PM

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SmashMouth 01-29-2023 02:40 PM

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Wait ... Wut? We have contract details on supposedly now secret contracts for coaches?

AsylumGuido 01-29-2023 04:13 PM

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Wait ... Wut? We have contract details on supposedly now secret contracts for coaches?

Exactly what I was saying, Smash. "NFL’s highest-paid coordinator, per sources". Sources is Fangio's agent. :D It's good for his business in this case to make this claim (that cannot be verified) to appeal to new clients. :cool: No details shared at all, right?

Rugby Saint II 01-30-2023 11:24 AM

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I have a sneaky suspicion that we will lose a lot of coaches this off season. Every coach that leaves us will probably have assistant coaches that they want to bring with them.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 11:26 AM

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I have a sneaky suspicion that we will lose a lot of coaches this off season. Every coach that leaves us will probably have assistant coaches that they want to bring with them.

Wait! I was told that all of our coaches suck. Why would anyone want them? Wow!

Rugby Saint II 01-30-2023 06:16 PM

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Wait! I was told that all of our coaches suck. Why would anyone want them? Wow!

Our head coach and offensive coordinator may not suck but they aren't very good either. The rest of our coaching staff is pretty good at what they do even if the system is Antiquated without fresh input from new coaches.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 968647)
Our head coach and offensive coordinator may not suck but they aren't very good either. The rest of our coaching staff is pretty good at what they do even if the system is Antiquated without fresh input from new coaches.

Not the input I was getting from some around here. Go figure.

Sinner 01-30-2023 06:51 PM

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Not the input I was getting from some around here. Go figure.

"Our head coach and offensive coordinator may not suck but they aren't very good either. The rest of our coaching staff is pretty good at what they do even if the system is Antiquated without fresh input from new coaches."

Maybe read that ^^^ again... Slowly.

TheOak 01-31-2023 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 968444)
Don't good team bring in assistant coaches to be ready to take over when a coach gets poached? It's about time to bring in some fresh faces. Although, that might not play into the Saints scenario of continuity.

The term continuity makes people feel comfortable but when your Head Coach that schemed and ran your offense along with the quarterback the offense was crafted for are gone, and your defensive coordinator is moved to a different position.. Precisely how much continuity is left?


Is a Ferrari still a Ferrari with a Ford engine and transmission?

Rugby Saint II 01-31-2023 10:25 AM

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The term continuity makes people feel comfortable but when your Head Coach that schemed and ran your offense along with the quarterback the offense was crafted for are gone, and your defensive coordinator is moved to a different position.. Precisely how much continuity is left?


Is a Ferrari still a Ferrari with a Ford engine and transmission?

What a great analogy! We don't have the power under the hood anymore with Dennis Allen as our new Ford motor.

Rugby Saint II 01-31-2023 10:33 AM

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Actually, now that l think about it, Dennis Allen is not a new Ford motor he is a used motor that doesn't work very well and is missing on some cylinders.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2023 11:29 AM

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What a great analogy! We don't have the power under the hood anymore with Dennis Allen as our new Ford motor.

I don't know. I think the QB would be the engine. We would have easily made the playoffs with a legitimate QB under the hood and nobody (except for the usual haters) would be complaining about Allen.

Oh, and that Cobra Jet was a pretty decent engine in the Mustang back in the late '60's. ;)

neugey 01-31-2023 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 968670)
The term continuity makes people feel comfortable but when your Head Coach that schemed and ran your offense along with the quarterback the offense was crafted for are gone, and your defensive coordinator is moved to a different position.. Precisely how much continuity is left?


Is a Ferrari still a Ferrari with a Ford engine and transmission?


Sure! Just don't put the keys in it!!!

Sinner 01-31-2023 01:02 PM

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I don't know. I think the QB would be the engine. We would have easily made the playoffs with a legitimate QB under the hood and nobody (except for the usual haters) would be complaining about Allen.

Oh, and that Cobra Jet was a pretty decent engine in the Mustang back in the late '60's. ;)

Newsflash: It's 2023 and we're rolling with a Pinto.

SmashMouth 01-31-2023 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 968670)
The term continuity makes people feel comfortable but when your Head Coach that schemed and ran your offense along with the quarterback the offense was crafted for are gone, and your defensive coordinator is moved to a different position.. Precisely how much continuity is left?


Is a Ferrari still a Ferrari with a Ford engine and transmission?

Probably why contract details are still top secret ?

Rugby Saint II 02-01-2023 11:28 AM

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Now that we have a first-round draft pick again, maybe we will be able to field a good team with our draft picks. Then we can put them on the field and watch them grow. Oh wait, don't we need coaches who aren't afraid to take a Gamble in big moments? We have tried to be safe and a seven- nine season is what it got us.

K Major 02-01-2023 12:09 PM

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Newsflash: It's 2023 and we're rolling with a Pinto.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/scIHr...giphy.gif&ct=g

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 12:10 PM

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Now that we have a first-round draft pick again, maybe we will be able to field a good team with our draft picks. Then we can put them on the field and watch them grow. Oh wait, don't we need coaches who aren't afraid to take a Gamble in big moments? We have tried to be safe and a seven- nine season is what it got us.

I'd like to think that much of the conservative playcalling was because of a lack of confidence in the QB and the battered offensive line. It was so out of character for Carmichael. When he called plays in the past he was almost reckless at times with the aggressiveness.

SmashMouth 02-01-2023 12:19 PM

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Rugby Saint II 02-01-2023 12:27 PM

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Noooooo!!!!!: it's time to address the elephant in the room. :pink:

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 12:30 PM

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If he gets the gig it would come with a compensatory pick due to his being a minority moving to a upgraded position.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 12:38 PM

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Another consideration with the Ronald Curry interview is that the Saints can block any acquisition from another team by promoting that coach to the position for which they are being interviewed.

In other words, the Saints could offer Curry the OC job and if he accepts they could move on from Carmichael.

Rugby Saint II 02-01-2023 12:46 PM

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Another consideration with the Ronald Curry interview is that the Saints can block any acquisition from another team by promoting that coach to the position for which they are being interviewed.

In other words, the Saints could offer Curry the OC job and if he accepts they could move on from Carmichael.

Shouldn't they have fired Carmichael already if they are planning on replacing him? I know he didn't want the job to begin with, and I certainly don't blame him if he doesn't want to keep it.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 01:02 PM

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Shouldn't they have fired Carmichael already if they are planning on replacing him? I know he didn't want the job to begin with, and I certainly don't blame him if he doesn't want to keep it.

Who knows? Payton may want him as his OC. Since it's a lateral move the Saints could block it if he was still under contract ... or they could ask for compensation. :D "Hey, give us our 3rd back and you can have him."

By the way, Rugs, where did you get the idea he didn't want the OC job with the Saints? There was a rumor that he didn't want to interview for the head coaching position, but I believe that was because he WANTED to remain as the Saints' OC.

K Major 02-01-2023 01:06 PM

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DA is a seasoned NFL head coach ....seasoned...4 full offseasons, camps, workout programs, pre season and over 30 games coached in 3 years in OAK and an entire season with the saints after being an in house hire.....he's terrible and he still learning on the job on the saints fan dime imo.

I just don't get it from a handful here that posts a bunch of "what if" scenarios with Dennis A or Pete C.

Make it make sense.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 01:29 PM

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I've got some feelers out to find out if Richard's hire by Carolina would be a qualifier for a compensatory pick. In other words, is defensive coordinator an upgrade in position hierarchy from co-defensive coordinator?

SmashMouth 02-01-2023 01:55 PM

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I've got some feelers out to find out if Richard's hire by Carolina would be a qualifier for a compensatory pick. In other words, is defensive coordinator an upgrade in position hierarchy from co-defensive coordinator?

Not sure, but I think it's minority based, not that it should matter. :confused:

Rugby Saint II 02-01-2023 02:03 PM

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Speaking of compensatory picks, I hope that the New Orleans Saints don't bring in a bunch of high priced free agents this off season, and instead try to bring in players through the draft and go get some young up and comers from other teams. We had a good chance at some compensatory draft picks last year but did not get them since we signed what was supposedly equal value, but obviously wasn't.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 03:02 PM

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Not sure, but I think it's minority based, not that it should matter. :confused:

That's why I'm looking into it. Richard is, of course, a minority staffer.

AsylumGuido 02-01-2023 03:09 PM

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K Major 02-01-2023 05:53 PM

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AsylumGuido 02-06-2023 11:00 AM

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SmashMouth 02-06-2023 12:38 PM

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SmashMouth 02-07-2023 04:05 AM

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Jahri Evans is on the Saints staff. Maybe he takes Strief's role.


K Major 02-07-2023 09:35 AM

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If you can't score points in the 4th quarter of games, you WILL lose games in the NFL.

The Saints need to bring in more offensive-minded coaches.

And get another QB. The likes of Dalton and Jameis aren't gonna get it done.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2023 10:25 AM

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Rugby Saint II 02-07-2023 11:47 AM

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It's about time we started bringing in some fresh blood, especially with our coaches being poached by Sean Payton and the NFC South trying to take the rest of our coaches.

halloween 65 02-07-2023 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 969286)
It's about time we started bringing in some fresh blood, especially with our coaches being poached by Sean Payton and the NFC South trying to take the rest of our coaches.

We got no choice Rugs, I got to see how this shakes out. I still think Allen is in way over his head.


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