What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2023, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Everything TheOak stated...

What did he state that has any relevance to what Allen is getting paid? Perhaps you need to spell that out. He made some sort of assumption that Allen isn't under contract and/or he wasn't given a contract when named head coach. Neither of which can be verified.

The Saints did go through a league mandated interview process prior to naming Allen coach last off-season.

Oak stated nothing but totally unsupported personal theories with no basis in fact. I'm still not getting what y'all are trying to get at here?

Sinner · 01-30-2023, 01:02 PM

Everything TheOak stated...

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2023, 01:30 PM

Still trying to find out those Belichick contract details. Any help there yet, Oak?

I did find this from this past October. Once again, these are not publicly shared details so the accuracy is questionable. Note Dennis Allen in the last grouping with 12 others as "unknown".

Who is the highest paid NFL coach? Full salary list

Top 10 highest-paid NFL coaches

COACH	TEAM	ANNUAL SALARY
1. Sean McVay	Los Angeles Rams	$15-18 million
2. Bill Belichick	New England Patriots	$12.5 million
3. Pete Carroll	Seattle Seahawks	$11 million
4. Kyle Shanahan	San Francisco 49ers	$9.5 million
5. John Harbaugh	Baltimore Ravens	$9 million
6. Franck Reich	Indianapolis Colts	$9 million
7. Matt Rhule	Carolina Panthers	$8.5 million
8. Mike Tomlin	Pittsburgh Steelers	$8 million
9. Andy Reid	Kansas City Chiefs	$8 million
10. Sean McDermott	Buffalo Bills	$8 million

COACH	TEAM	SALARY
Ron Rivera	Washington Football Team	$7 million
Nick Sirianni	Philadelphia Eagles	$6-7 million
Kliff Kingsbury	Arizona Cardinals	$5.5 million
Matt LaFleur	Green Bay Packers	$5 million
Robert Saleh	New York Jets	$5 million
Zac Taylor	Cincinnati Bengals	$4.5 million
Mike McCarthy	Dallas Cowboys	$4 million
Nathaniel Hackett	Denver Broncos	$4 million
Kevin Stefanski	Cleveland Browns	$4 million

Unknown (13 coaches)

Mike Vrabel, Tennessee Titans, fifth year ($3 million in 2021)

Brandon Staley, Los Angeles Chargers, second year

Dan Campbell, Detroit Lions, second year

Arthur Smith, Atlanta Falcons, second year

Todd Bowles, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, first year

Dennis Allen, New Orleans Saints, first year

Doug Pederson, Jacksonville Jaguars, first year

Josh McDaniels, Las Vegas Raiders, first year

Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins, first year

Kevin O’Connell, Minnesota Vikings, first year

Matt Eberflus, Chicago Bears, first year

Brian Daboll, New York Giants, first year

Lovie Smith, Houston Texans, first year

UK_WhoDat · 01-30-2023, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

............
The question then rears its ugly head, why then was DA indeed chosen as HC under the guise of "continuity"? A little voice in my head, albeit possibly wrong, whispers to me a deal was struck, a secret deal if you will, with SP and Loomis for this very scenario which is unfolding before our very eyes. We may never know... Or will we?

It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time.
But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............

Sinner · 01-30-2023, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time.
But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............

Yeah it looks to be a prolonged, painful stretch then.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2023, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time.
But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............

I believe, UK_WhoDat, there was a deal in December 2021 to renew the Superdome lease to the Saints past the previous 2025 date to a period "through 2035, with four five-year extension options through 2055 if the full Superdome renovations are completed."

The $750 million in renovation projects are due to be finished prior to the Saints and New Orleans hosting the 2025 Super Bowl.

mapcow · 01-30-2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it?

It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.

there it is right there, guido admits it.....red as a beet

SmashMouth · 01-30-2023, 04:44 PM

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halloween 65 · 01-30-2023, 05:13 PM

I'm still pushing the Carr train

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2023, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://youtu.be/LaGkK7xlLkA

Nice podcast! Worth the watch.

01-30-2023, 12:24 PM	#91
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Everything TheOak stated... What did he state that has any relevance to what Allen is getting paid? Perhaps you need to spell that out. He made some sort of assumption that Allen isn't under contract and/or he wasn't given a contract when named head coach. Neither of which can be verified. The Saints did go through a league mandated interview process prior to naming Allen coach last off-season. Oak stated nothing but totally unsupported personal theories with no basis in fact. I'm still not getting what y'all are trying to get at here?

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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth ............ The question then rears its ugly head, why then was DA indeed chosen as HC under the guise of "continuity"? A little voice in my head, albeit possibly wrong, whispers to me a deal was struck, a secret deal if you will, with SP and Loomis for this very scenario which is unfolding before our very eyes. We may never know... Or will we? It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time. But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............ Sinner likes this.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time. But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............ Yeah it looks to be a prolonged, painful stretch then. halloween 65 and K Major like this.
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01-30-2023, 04:28 PM	#96
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat It is a conundrum. One that may run for a long time. But it could be entwined with the succession plan for the Saints [with 2025 being key when the Superdome lease is up (for renewal). But I digress.] The ... erm..... business relationship between President Dennis Lauscha and General Manager Mickey Loomis were appointed into senior positions of tNew Orleans sports teams - Lauscha is THE executor on the Benson will, and Loomis is the backup. So neither are going any place soon for they have a BIG responsibility to the Saints and the city of New Orleans. Maybe somewhere in all that Dennis Allen has bonded well with Loomis. Yeah it is a stretch but............ I believe, UK_WhoDat, there was a deal in December 2021 to renew the Superdome lease to the Saints past the previous 2025 date to a period "through 2035, with four five-year extension options through 2055 if the full Superdome renovations are completed." The $750 million in renovation projects are due to be finished prior to the Saints and New Orleans hosting the 2025 Super Bowl.

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01-30-2023, 04:41 PM	#97
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,753	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it? It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all. there it is right there, guido admits it.....red as a beet halloween 65 likes this.
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