What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB?

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2023, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Had to look up the contract situation.
https://www.fox8live.com/2019/02/04/...-new-contract/

Having a hard time finding his contract details ... WTF.

Why is DA's contract detail secret while we have details on SP's contract? What's the dirty little secret?

Coaches contracts are not required to be shared publicly because they are not tied to the cap. Jeff Duncan shared in an interview a couple of days ago that even though Payton's contract was publicly considered to be in the $8-$10 million range he was actually making closer to $17-$18 million with job related endorsement tie ins and such.

SmashMouth · 01-29-2023, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Coaches contracts are not required to be shared publicly because they are not tied to the cap. Jeff Duncan shared in an interview a couple of days ago that even though Payton's contract was publicly considered to be in the $8-$10 million range he was actually making closer to $17-$18 million with job related endorsement tie ins and such.

We know this... yet nonetheless we have details on many HCs throughout the league. And DA's contract details are a secret... seems rather odd.

halloween 65 · 01-29-2023, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Had to look up the contract situation.
https://www.fox8live.com/2019/02/04/...-new-contract/

Having a hard time finding his contract details ... WTF.

Why is DA's contract detail secret while we have details on SP's contract? What's the dirty little secret?

Whatever they're paying the bum is to much. He should be in the unemployment line.

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2023, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We know this... yet nonetheless we have details on many HCs throughout the league. And DA's contract details are a secret... seems rather odd.

We only have what the head coach's agent chooses to share according to Duncan, not the actual details. He said only the owner, GM, coach himself, and his agent know of the actual details. He also said that what is shared publicly for NFL head coaches is usually greatly understated. That interview was posted somewhere here on B&G. I can't find it now.

Rell&Gold · 01-30-2023, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe... All this focus on RPO QBs leaves little nuggets like Purdy available. That means one needn't gamble a #1, but do proper due diligence. Surely if SF can get it with Mr Irrelevant , so can the Saints. History is rife with real good QBs not taken in the first round. SP was in control previously and made the wrong calls on QBs not named Brees and Mahomes. Maybe Jeff Ireland and DA get an opportunity in 2023 for a similar nugget as Purdy.

Who were the right calls? Who did we miss out on that would have us legitimately in contention every year?

TheOak · 01-30-2023, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Had to look up the contract situation.
https://www.fox8live.com/2019/02/04/...-new-contract/

Having a hard time finding his contract details ... WTF.

Why is DA's contract detail secret while we have details on SP's contract? What's the dirty little secret?

I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path.

If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through.

My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now.

1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return.
2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently.

There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package

.

A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2023, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.

Really? Where are Belichick's actual contract details? I haven't been able to find them. Can you post your link to those actual open contract details?

How Much Does the Bill Belichick Contract Pay, and How Long Will the Patriots Coach Be In New England?

by Tim Crean
Published on
December 18, 2022

While the money aspect of the Bill Belichick contract has been widely reported, the length of the deal is unknown. There are currently no credible reports as to the number of years on Belichick’s deal, which shouldn’t come as a surprise in regard to the notoriously private coach and organization.

_________________________________________________________

Yes, "widely" reported but how "accurately" reported. As Jeff Duncan said, Payton was actually making $7-$8 annually more than his "reported" salary under his contract with the Saints. But, still, those details are not known.

No NFL coach's contracts are public knowledge. Any details have to be "leaked" by one party or another, either the team or the coach/agent. Nobody else is privy.

SmashMouth · 01-30-2023, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path.

If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through.

My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now.

1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return.
2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently.

There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package .

A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.

Thank you for confirming my suspicions...

This does open up a few more questions, doesn't it?

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2023, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Thank you for confirming my suspicions...

This does open up a few more questions, doesn't it?

I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it?

It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.

SmashMouth · 01-30-2023, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path.

If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through.

My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now.

1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return.
2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently.

There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package .

A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it?

It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.

Everything TheOak stated...

01-29-2023, 12:29 PM	#81
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Had to look up the contract situation. https://www.fox8live.com/2019/02/04/...-new-contract/ Having a hard time finding his contract details ... WTF. Why is DA's contract detail secret while we have details on SP's contract? What's the dirty little secret? Coaches contracts are not required to be shared publicly because they are not tied to the cap. Jeff Duncan shared in an interview a couple of days ago that even though Payton's contract was publicly considered to be in the $8-$10 million range he was actually making closer to $17-$18 million with job related endorsement tie ins and such.

01-29-2023, 12:32 PM	#82
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Coaches contracts are not required to be shared publicly because they are not tied to the cap. Jeff Duncan shared in an interview a couple of days ago that even though Payton's contract was publicly considered to be in the $8-$10 million range he was actually making closer to $17-$18 million with job related endorsement tie ins and such. We know this... yet nonetheless we have details on many HCs throughout the league. And DA's contract details are a secret... seems rather odd.

01-29-2023, 12:36 PM	#83
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Had to look up the contract situation. https://www.fox8live.com/2019/02/04/...-new-contract/ Having a hard time finding his contract details ... WTF. Why is DA's contract detail secret while we have details on SP's contract? What's the dirty little secret? Whatever they're paying the bum is to much. He should be in the unemployment line. SmashMouth, dizzle88, Sinner and 1 others like this.

01-29-2023, 12:42 PM	#84
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth We know this... yet nonetheless we have details on many HCs throughout the league. And DA's contract details are a secret... seems rather odd. We only have what the head coach's agent chooses to share according to Duncan, not the actual details. He said only the owner, GM, coach himself, and his agent know of the actual details. He also said that what is shared publicly for NFL head coaches is usually greatly understated. That interview was posted somewhere here on B&G. I can't find it now.

01-30-2023, 01:19 AM	#85
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe... All this focus on RPO QBs leaves little nuggets like Purdy available. That means one needn't gamble a #1, but do proper due diligence. Surely if SF can get it with Mr Irrelevant , so can the Saints. History is rife with real good QBs not taken in the first round. SP was in control previously and made the wrong calls on QBs not named Brees and Mahomes. Maybe Jeff Ireland and DA get an opportunity in 2023 for a similar nugget as Purdy. Who were the right calls? Who did we miss out on that would have us legitimately in contention every year?

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01-30-2023, 07:44 AM	#86
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Had to look up the contract situation. https://www.fox8live.com/2019/02/04/...-new-contract/ Having a hard time finding his contract details ... WTF. Why is DA's contract detail secret while we have details on SP's contract? What's the dirty little secret? I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path. If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through. My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now. 1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return. 2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently. There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package . A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick. SmashMouth, Sinner, halloween 65 and 1 others like this.
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01-30-2023, 08:55 AM	#87
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by TheOak Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick. Really? Where are Belichick's actual contract details? I haven't been able to find them. Can you post your link to those actual open contract details? How Much Does the Bill Belichick Contract Pay, and How Long Will the Patriots Coach Be In New England? by Tim Crean Published on December 18, 2022 While the money aspect of the Bill Belichick contract has been widely reported, the length of the deal is unknown. There are currently no credible reports as to the number of years on Belichick’s deal, which shouldn’t come as a surprise in regard to the notoriously private coach and organization. _________________________________________________________ Yes, "widely" reported but how "accurately" reported. As Jeff Duncan said, Payton was actually making $7-$8 annually more than his "reported" salary under his contract with the Saints. But, still, those details are not known. No NFL coach's contracts are public knowledge. Any details have to be "leaked" by one party or another, either the team or the coach/agent. Nobody else is privy.
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01-30-2023, 10:46 AM	#88
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by TheOak I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path. If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through. My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now. 1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return. 2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently. There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package . A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick. Thank you for confirming my suspicions... This does open up a few more questions, doesn't it? Sinner likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Thank you for confirming my suspicions... This does open up a few more questions, doesn't it? I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it? It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all.

01-30-2023, 11:07 AM	#90
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: What should the Saints’ plan be to upgrade at QB? Originally Posted by TheOak I should have mentioned that... There are none, I started looking for them while I was listening to him accept the position. He was appointed HC without a new contract or an extension of his old contract. I didn't care what they paid him, I wanted to see how committed Loomis was to this path. If you want to know Ts&Cs read a contract, if you want to understand intent and strategy you have to stare into the negative space and figure out what isn't there. In this case there is zero commitment or follow through. My best guess is that Dennis Allen is not under new contract for multiple reasons that do not speak well for the quality of DA's head coaching abilities. On paper he was appointed interim-HC for the last year of his 2019 contract. If he is contracted as the new HC, without interviews, this will blow up just as the Frank Reich appointment is in North Carolina right now. 1. The door is left open for a Sean Payton return. 2. Loomis is unsure and wants to see if the market thinks Dennis Allen has any talent. Contractually, Dennis Allen is not the Head Coach of any team presently. There is always the possibility that Loomis's evil plot involves forcing the team that wants Sean Payton to take Dennis Allen as part of the package . A lack of contract details for DA has nothing to do with agents or withheld information, that notion is absurd lol... Agents want it out there as evidence of their negotiation abilities because it is free advertising to get new clients. Owners want it out there as evidence of commitment to attract future talent. Case and point being that the most secretive person in the NFL has his contract details out in the open, Bill Belichick. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm still confused as to what suspicions, Smash? What difference does it make what Dennis Allen is or isn't getting paid? It's all just a drop in the bucket for the richest individual in Louisiana (Gayle Benson), isn't it? It sounds to me like Dennis Allen doesn't have an agent that chooses to share that info. In fact, I couldn't find any evidence that Allen is even represented by a sports agent. I suppose he could be representing himself which would explain why there's no contract information out there at all. Everything TheOak stated... Sinner, halloween 65 and K Major like this.