The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread

Boston Saint · 05-09-2023, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

They keep saying that, about Bresee needing time. Is that to keep our expectations in line? Even with the notion that DTs may need some time to develop and gel with the team, my expectation, our expectation should be to see him inserted immediately and produce immediate results. He's no longer injured. Suh was a force to be reckoned with in year one. And Bresee was being compared to Suh.

Don't disagree for depth purposes, however.

+1. Unless you are a team stacked at all positions then you should expect to get a starter with your first round pick.

K Major · 05-09-2023, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

They keep saying that, about Bresee needing time. Is that to keep our expectations in line?

And “they’re” right

.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2023, 12:44 PM

Who is this "they" that says Bresee needs time?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/position/dt

Pre-Draft Analysis

Bresee is a dominant run defender with the strength to stack and shed blockers. He has the quick hands and feet to slip and split linemen. He locates the football quickly, chases down ball carriers and is an effective tackler. As a pass-rusher, he needs to improve his ability to string together multiple moves. He's powerful and flashes as a hand fighter. -- Steve Muench

Matt Miller's NFL comp: Zach Allen

Post-Draft Analysis

Bresee is a powerful interior defensive lineman with the size to control the line of scrimmage. With Khalen Saunders added in free agency, Bresee will be asked to start next to him, with Cameron Jordan flanking them. Bresee has tremendous upside if he can stay healthy and is a natural fit in a 4-3 front. -- Miller

Projected Year 1 impact: High-impact Day 1 starter. Bresee enters a team that desperately needs help along the interior, and he brings a young pass rush presence that's also stout against the run. -- Jordan Reid

SmashMouth · 05-10-2023, 03:50 PM

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AsylumGuido · 05-10-2023, 04:03 PM

Updated Ourlads Depth Chart as of 2:57 this afternoon, May 10th.

OFFENSE

LWR	12	Olave, Chris 22/1	17	Perry, A.T. 23/6	15	Baker, Kawaan 21/7	88	Flowers, Malik CF23
RWR	13	THOMAS, MICHAEL 16/2	18	Kirkwood, Keith CF18	11	Edwards, Bryan SF23	80	Davis, Shaquan CF23
SWR	22	Shaheed, Rashid CF22	10	Smith, Tre'Quan 18/3	33	Merritt, Kirk SF22	81	Barnett, Sy CF23
LT	70	Penning, Trevor 22/1	74	HURST, JAMES CC/Bal	66	Kidd, Lewis CF22
LG	75	Peat, Andrus 15/1	76	Throckmorton, Calvin CF20	79	Durant, Yasir SF22	73	Evans II, Mark CF23
C	78	McCoy, Erik 19/2	65	Pihlstrom, Alex CF23
RG	51	Ruiz, Cesar 20/1	64	Saldiveri, Nick 23/4	60	Martin, Koda SF23
RT	71	Ramczyk, Ryan 17/1	72	Norton, Storm U/LAC	67	Young, Landon 21/6
TE	83	Johnson, Juwan CF20	7	HILL, TAYSOM W/GB		Moreau, Foster U/LV	87	Krull, Lucas CF22	86	Forristall, Miller SF23
TE									85	Wilson, Joel CF23
QB	4	CARR, DEREK CC/LV	2	Winston, Jameis U/TB	14	Haener, Jake 23/4
RB	41	Kamara, Alvin 17/3	30	Williams, Jamaal U/Det	25	Miller, Kendre 23/3	24	Washington, Dwayne SF18	26	Benjamin, Eno W/Hou
RB									34	Thompson Jr., SaRodorick CF23
FB	46	Prentice, Adam W/Den

DEFENSE

LDE	94	JORDAN, CAMERON 11/1	92	Kpassagnon, Tanoh U/KC	59	Zuniga, Jabari SF22
LDT	93	Shepherd, Nathan U/NYJ	99	Saunders, Khalen U/KC	77	Cage, Jerron CF23
RDT	90	Bresee, Bryan 23/1	97	Roach, Malcolm CF20	57	Emili, Prince SF22
RDE	96	Granderson, Carl CF19	55	Foskey, Isaiah 23/2	98	Turner, Payton 21/1
WLB	20	Werner, Pete 21/2	50	Dowell, Andrew SF19	43	Connelly, Ryan SF23	40	Anderson, Nick CF23
MLB	56	DAVIS, DEMARIO U/NYJ	52	Jackson, D'Marco 22/5	45	Sewell, Nephi CF22
SLB	53	Baun, Zack 20/3	42	Summers, Ty P/Jax	58	Orji, Anfernee CF23
LCB	29	Adebo, Paulson 21/3	1	Taylor, Alontae 22/2	37	Pride Jr., Troy SF23	36	Johnson, Anthony CF23
SS	32	MATHIEU, TYRANN U/KC	24	Abram, Johnathan U/Sea	38	Monday, Smoke CF22
FS	6	Maye, Marcus U/NYJ	31	Howden, Jordan 23/5	48	Gray, J.T. CF18
RCB	23	Lattimore, Marshon 17/1	27	Yiadom, Isaac SF22	35	Gray, Vincent CF22
NB	21	ROBY, BRADLEY T/Hou	28	Johnson Jr., Lonnie U/Ten	00	Amadi, Ugo SF23

SPECIAL TEAMS

PT	5	Gillikin, Blake CF20	39	Hedley, Lou CF23
PK	3	Lutz, Wil SF16	19	Quevedo, Alex SF23	47	Grupe, Blake CF23
LS	49	WOOD, ZACH SF17
H	5	Gillikin, Blake CF20	39	Hedley, Lou CF23
KO	3	Lutz, Wil SF16	19	Quevedo, Alex SF23	47	Grupe, Blake CF23
PR	22	Shaheed, Rashid CF22
KR	22	Shaheed, Rashid CF22	24	Washington, Dwayne SF18

K Major · 05-10-2023, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

They keep saying that, about Bresee needing time. Is that to keep our expectations in line? Even with the notion that DTs may need some time to develop and gel with the team, my expectation, our expectation should be to see him inserted immediately and produce immediate results.

Not sure if you are locked in to any of Mike Detillier's takes, however a few days back he was talking about how most players (D line specifically) will either take a couple of years to develop as a complete DT because they need to refine technique based on height.

His example used was Chris Jones (similar height/torso to Bryan). Year 1, 2 he was getting gashed vs the run until he polished up and developed.

I thought that was an astute observation.

Will BB START immediately? ... I hope so but personally I'm not expecting "immediate results". It takes time. The NFL is a different beast.

SmashMouth · 05-11-2023, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Not sure if you are locked in to any of Mike Detillier's takes, however a few days back he was talking about how most players (D line specifically) will either take a couple of years to develop as a complete DT because they need to refine technique based on height.

His example used was Chris Jones (similar height/torso to Bryan). Year 1, 2 he was getting gashed vs the run until he polished up and developed.

I thought that was an astute observation.

Will BB START immediately? ... I hope so but personally I'm not expecting "immediate results". It takes time. The NFL is a different beast.

Detillier has been as astute as he's been off the mark on players if one is to assess his observations through the years. The video you posted with Greg Cosell seems to show a bit more insight than what Detillier offers.

SmashMouth · 05-11-2023, 09:31 AM

RWR 13 THOMAS, MICHAEL 16/2 18 Kirkwood, Keith CF18 11 Edwards, Bryan SF23 80 Davis, Shaquan CF23
SWR 22 Shaheed, Rashid CF22 10 Smith, Tre'Quan 18/3 33 Merritt, Kirk SF22 81 Barnett, Sy CF23

IMHO, it's the last chance saloon for Bryan Edwards, Tre'Quan Smith, Keith Kirkwood, Keith Merritt. They may be on a short leach in the advent of injuries. The new kids AT Perry, Shaq Davis and Malik Flowers will make the team. Sy Barnett will need to make his mark on ST to make it. Locks are Olave, Thomas, Shaheed.

Rugby Saint II · 05-11-2023, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

IMHO, it's the last chance saloon for Bryan Edwards, Tre'Quan Smith, Keith Kirkwood, Keith Merritt. They may be on a short leach in the advent of injuries. The new kids AT Perry, Shaq Davis and Malik Flowers will make the team. Sy Barnett will need to make his mark on ST to make it. Locks are Olave, Thomas, Shaheed.

Two things that I'm hoping for. Tre'Quan finally gets cut. Bryan Edwards develops great timing with Carr and forces Smith off the roster.

K Major · 05-12-2023, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Two things that I'm hoping for. Tre'Quan finally gets cut. Bryan Edwards develops great timing with Carr and forces Smith off the roster.

There are some analysts (Cosell, Baldinger) who believe this may be Edward's last opportunity in the NFL.

Let's just wait and see.

05-09-2023, 12:30 PM	#11
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05-09-2023, 12:37 PM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth They keep saying that, about Bresee needing time. Is that to keep our expectations in line? And “they’re” right .

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,212	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Who is this "they" that says Bresee needs time? https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft/positions/_/position/dt Pre-Draft Analysis Bresee is a dominant run defender with the strength to stack and shed blockers. He has the quick hands and feet to slip and split linemen. He locates the football quickly, chases down ball carriers and is an effective tackler. As a pass-rusher, he needs to improve his ability to string together multiple moves. He's powerful and flashes as a hand fighter. -- Steve Muench Matt Miller's NFL comp: Zach Allen Post-Draft Analysis Bresee is a powerful interior defensive lineman with the size to control the line of scrimmage. With Khalen Saunders added in free agency, Bresee will be asked to start next to him, with Cameron Jordan flanking them. Bresee has tremendous upside if he can stay healthy and is a natural fit in a 4-3 front. -- Miller Projected Year 1 impact: High-impact Day 1 starter. Bresee enters a team that desperately needs help along the interior, and he brings a young pass rush presence that's also stout against the run. -- Jordan Reid
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05-10-2023, 05:39 PM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth They keep saying that, about Bresee needing time. Is that to keep our expectations in line? Even with the notion that DTs may need some time to develop and gel with the team, my expectation, our expectation should be to see him inserted immediately and produce immediate results. Not sure if you are locked in to any of Mike Detillier's takes, however a few days back he was talking about how most players (D line specifically) will either take a couple of years to develop as a complete DT because they need to refine technique based on height. His example used was Chris Jones (similar height/torso to Bryan). Year 1, 2 he was getting gashed vs the run until he polished up and developed. I thought that was an astute observation. Will BB START immediately? ... I hope so but personally I'm not expecting "immediate results". It takes time. The NFL is a different beast. iceshack149, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.
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05-11-2023, 09:16 AM	#17
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by K Major Not sure if you are locked in to any of Mike Detillier's takes, however a few days back he was talking about how most players (D line specifically) will either take a couple of years to develop as a complete DT because they need to refine technique based on height. His example used was Chris Jones (similar height/torso to Bryan). Year 1, 2 he was getting gashed vs the run until he polished up and developed. I thought that was an astute observation. Will BB START immediately? ... I hope so but personally I'm not expecting "immediate results". It takes time. The NFL is a different beast. Detillier has been as astute as he's been off the mark on players if one is to assess his observations through the years. The video you posted with Greg Cosell seems to show a bit more insight than what Detillier offers.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,123 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread RWR 13 THOMAS, MICHAEL 16/2 18 Kirkwood, Keith CF18 11 Edwards, Bryan SF23 80 Davis, Shaquan CF23 SWR 22 Shaheed, Rashid CF22 10 Smith, Tre'Quan 18/3 33 Merritt, Kirk SF22 81 Barnett, Sy CF23 IMHO, it's the last chance saloon for Bryan Edwards, Tre'Quan Smith, Keith Kirkwood, Keith Merritt. They may be on a short leach in the advent of injuries. The new kids AT Perry, Shaq Davis and Malik Flowers will make the team. Sy Barnett will need to make his mark on ST to make it. Locks are Olave, Thomas, Shaheed. Thirty3 likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth IMHO, it's the last chance saloon for Bryan Edwards, Tre'Quan Smith, Keith Kirkwood, Keith Merritt. They may be on a short leach in the advent of injuries. The new kids AT Perry, Shaq Davis and Malik Flowers will make the team. Sy Barnett will need to make his mark on ST to make it. Locks are Olave, Thomas, Shaheed. Two things that I'm hoping for. Tre'Quan finally gets cut. Bryan Edwards develops great timing with Carr and forces Smith off the roster.

05-12-2023, 10:56 AM	#20
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The 2023 JeanPierre Saints Roster Depth Chart Thread Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Two things that I'm hoping for. Tre'Quan finally gets cut. Bryan Edwards develops great timing with Carr and forces Smith off the roster. There are some analysts (Cosell, Baldinger) who believe this may be Edward's last opportunity in the NFL. Let's just wait and see. SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.