Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2024, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Haters gonna' hate! The hate is strong in this one! I just can't imagine going through life being so miserable all the time like Bako does!

I know. It's sad, isn't it?

iceshack149 · 01-29-2024, 04:12 PM

I think that it starts in the trenches and radiates outward.
The Saints must work on the lines first-especially O-line. They need LB's and WR's--If Marshon leaves like most of us assume then CB becomes more of a "must" than a "need". Kamara is in his prime but that window is about to close so the Saints should keep the offensive backfield in mind over the offseason.
I'm one of the few fans that doesn't consider Carr to be a terrible QB. The right leadership could benefit him. That said, if the Saints picked a QB early in the next draft I wouldn't be surprised.

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2024, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I think that it starts in the trenches and radiates outward.
The Saints must work on the lines first-especially O-line. They need LB's and WR's--If Marshon leaves like most of us assume then CB becomes more of a "must" than a "need". Kamara is in his prime but that window is about to close so the Saints should keep the offensive backfield in mind over the offseason.
I'm one of the few fans that doesn't consider Carr to be a terrible QB. The right leadership could benefit him. That said, if the Saints picked a QB early in the next draft I wouldn't be surprised.

There are probably a lot more than you realize out here, ice, on Carr. Agree with everything else you mentioned, too, by the way.

Sinner · 01-29-2024, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There are probably a lot more than you realize out here, ice, on Carr. Agree with everything else you mentioned, too, by the way.

Accepting Carr, just like accepting Dennis Allen, just like accepting barely being a mediocre team that is “competitive” against teams that $uck @ss less than we do, is EXACTLY what enables this front office to “just keep doing what they’re doing”, year after mediocre year. See y’all next year.

bobdog86 · 01-29-2024, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Accepting Carr, just like accepting Dennis Allen, just like accepting barely being a mediocre team that is “competitive” against teams that $uck @ss less than we do, is EXACTLY what enables this front office to “just keep doing what they’re doing”, year after mediocre year. See y’all next year.

I understand your frustration, many if not most of us are, but the reality of it is, it ain't gonna change any time soon. And until something in management changes soon, it may be a long while. If *****ing and trolling quido helps you sleep at night then so be it, and while it's bothersome to must of us, It's your prerogative and I support that. And just because most of us don't comment negatively whenever we are angry does not mean we don't care....because we do.

Sinner · 01-29-2024, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

I understand your frustration, many if not most of us are, but the reality of it is, it ain't gonna change any time soon. And until something in management changes soon, it may be a long while. If *****ing and trolling quido helps you sleep at night then so be it, and while it's bothersome to must of us, It's your prerogative and I support that. And just because most of us don't comment negatively whenever we are angry does not mean we don't care....because we do.

Thank you for your salient points, and for supporting my prerogative.

cmike · 01-29-2024, 05:46 PM

I’m sitting at my dinner table, the most truthful place in all American households.

We’re going to be a garbage team until DENNIS ALLEN is no longer the head coach.
I think Derek Carr can be a top 10 QB when healthy, has the right OC and the right coach.
Maybe. Because he looked like horse$4!T most of the season.

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2024, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

I understand your frustration, many if not most of us are, but the reality of it is, it ain't gonna change any time soon. And until something in management changes soon, it may be a long while. If *****ing and trolling quido helps you sleep at night then so be it, and while it's bothersome to must of us, It's your prerogative and I support that. And just because most of us don't comment negatively whenever we are angry does not mean we don't care....because we do.

Oh! Wow. That sinner guy is still trolling? Go figure. If it's all he has to live for, so be it. LOL!

BakoSaint · 01-29-2024, 07:12 PM

People who think my hate for Loomis absorbs my life know nothing else about my life. Everyone is allowed to hate one or two public figures and there is nothing wrong with blowing off steam. I also enjoy family time, good food, various tv shows, travel, and have a good career. But Mickey Loomis is a **** GM.

A concern I have with Derek Carr is that although his overall stats may be average to slightly above average they came against weak opponents and he seems to pad them when his team no longer controls its own destiny and the pressure is off to some degree because if they lose it may not have mattered anyway and expectations are lower. When Carr heated up in the final games the Saints also had among the easiest schedules in that stretch. Also he has never won a playoff game, and has rarely gotten it done in the key games needed to get to the playoffs. My fear is that if we built the team around him to get him home field in the playoffs, it would be like bringing Matt Ryan to the playoffs. I also dont feel bad criticizing him and potentially undermining his confidence thiugh because I noticed he played better this season after getting booed at home and called out by analysts. Maybe if none of us believed in him he could finally suceed.

I dont think corner is a too need even if Lattimore departs. I believe Adebo and Taylor are starting edge corners in this league and Yiadom is a starter or top backup. We have had success finding good young secondary in the second round or later in the draft if needed and would be wise to keep doing that and not waste big free agent dollars or our 1st round pick there. Remember, we went on a winning streak with Lattimore hurt. Thomas too.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2024, 09:26 AM

Triplett makes sense here. We all know we need help on both lines, but as he mentions, we all also know it takes some time for almost all linemen, especially offensive, to adjust to the NFL game.

I don't know if y'all have heard of Paul Alexander the former offensive line coach. He knows more about both lines than anyone I have ever heard or seen. One thing he commonly points out is how the college game has changed due to the NCAA mandated limits on practice that virtually no lineman is anywhere near NFL ready when they come out. He gives as a huge reason the use of spread offenses and shotgun snaps almost exclusively these days. He points out that it is the simplest scheme to use given the lack of practice and teaching time. But it tremendously retards the development of players on both sides of the ball.

In you have time look for some of the segments that Alexander has provided in the past. I guarantee you'll learn something new and good. I have every time I have heard him, that's for certain.

01-29-2024, 03:35 PM	#31
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Haters gonna' hate! The hate is strong in this one! I just can't imagine going through life being so miserable all the time like Bako does! I know. It's sad, isn't it?

01-29-2024, 04:12 PM	#32
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,238 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season I think that it starts in the trenches and radiates outward. The Saints must work on the lines first-especially O-line. They need LB's and WR's--If Marshon leaves like most of us assume then CB becomes more of a "must" than a "need". Kamara is in his prime but that window is about to close so the Saints should keep the offensive backfield in mind over the offseason. I'm one of the few fans that doesn't consider Carr to be a terrible QB. The right leadership could benefit him. That said, if the Saints picked a QB early in the next draft I wouldn't be surprised. AsylumGuido likes this.
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01-29-2024, 04:35 PM	#33
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by iceshack149 I think that it starts in the trenches and radiates outward. The Saints must work on the lines first-especially O-line. They need LB's and WR's--If Marshon leaves like most of us assume then CB becomes more of a "must" than a "need". Kamara is in his prime but that window is about to close so the Saints should keep the offensive backfield in mind over the offseason. I'm one of the few fans that doesn't consider Carr to be a terrible QB. The right leadership could benefit him. That said, if the Saints picked a QB early in the next draft I wouldn't be surprised. There are probably a lot more than you realize out here, ice, on Carr. Agree with everything else you mentioned, too, by the way.

01-29-2024, 04:50 PM	#34
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,815	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There are probably a lot more than you realize out here, ice, on Carr. Agree with everything else you mentioned, too, by the way. Accepting Carr, just like accepting Dennis Allen, just like accepting barely being a mediocre team that is “competitive” against teams that $uck @ss less than we do, is EXACTLY what enables this front office to “just keep doing what they’re doing”, year after mediocre year. See y’all next year.
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01-29-2024, 05:06 PM	#35
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,392	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by Sinner Accepting Carr, just like accepting Dennis Allen, just like accepting barely being a mediocre team that is “competitive” against teams that $uck @ss less than we do, is EXACTLY what enables this front office to “just keep doing what they’re doing”, year after mediocre year. See y’all next year. I understand your frustration, many if not most of us are, but the reality of it is, it ain't gonna change any time soon. And until something in management changes soon, it may be a long while. If *****ing and trolling quido helps you sleep at night then so be it, and while it's bothersome to must of us, It's your prerogative and I support that. And just because most of us don't comment negatively whenever we are angry does not mean we don't care....because we do. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

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01-29-2024, 05:28 PM	#36
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,815	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by bobdog86 I understand your frustration, many if not most of us are, but the reality of it is, it ain't gonna change any time soon. And until something in management changes soon, it may be a long while. If *****ing and trolling quido helps you sleep at night then so be it, and while it's bothersome to must of us, It's your prerogative and I support that. And just because most of us don't comment negatively whenever we are angry does not mean we don't care....because we do. Thank you for your salient points, and for supporting my prerogative. bobdog86 likes this.
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01-29-2024, 05:46 PM	#37
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,426	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season I’m sitting at my dinner table, the most truthful place in all American households. We’re going to be a garbage team until DENNIS ALLEN is no longer the head coach. I think Derek Carr can be a top 10 QB when healthy, has the right OC and the right coach. Maybe. Because he looked like horse$4!T most of the season. Sinner likes this.

01-29-2024, 05:52 PM	#38
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by bobdog86 I understand your frustration, many if not most of us are, but the reality of it is, it ain't gonna change any time soon. And until something in management changes soon, it may be a long while. If *****ing and trolling quido helps you sleep at night then so be it, and while it's bothersome to must of us, It's your prerogative and I support that. And just because most of us don't comment negatively whenever we are angry does not mean we don't care....because we do. Oh! Wow. That sinner guy is still trolling? Go figure. If it's all he has to live for, so be it. LOL!

01-29-2024, 07:12 PM	#39
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,087	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season People who think my hate for Loomis absorbs my life know nothing else about my life. Everyone is allowed to hate one or two public figures and there is nothing wrong with blowing off steam. I also enjoy family time, good food, various tv shows, travel, and have a good career. But Mickey Loomis is a **** GM. A concern I have with Derek Carr is that although his overall stats may be average to slightly above average they came against weak opponents and he seems to pad them when his team no longer controls its own destiny and the pressure is off to some degree because if they lose it may not have mattered anyway and expectations are lower. When Carr heated up in the final games the Saints also had among the easiest schedules in that stretch. Also he has never won a playoff game, and has rarely gotten it done in the key games needed to get to the playoffs. My fear is that if we built the team around him to get him home field in the playoffs, it would be like bringing Matt Ryan to the playoffs. I also dont feel bad criticizing him and potentially undermining his confidence thiugh because I noticed he played better this season after getting booed at home and called out by analysts. Maybe if none of us believed in him he could finally suceed. I dont think corner is a too need even if Lattimore departs. I believe Adebo and Taylor are starting edge corners in this league and Yiadom is a starter or top backup. We have had success finding good young secondary in the second round or later in the draft if needed and would be wise to keep doing that and not waste big free agent dollars or our 1st round pick there. Remember, we went on a winning streak with Lattimore hurt. Thomas too. Danno, Sinner and bobdog86 like this.
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01-30-2024, 09:26 AM	#40
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Triplett makes sense here. We all know we need help on both lines, but as he mentions, we all also know it takes some time for almost all linemen, especially offensive, to adjust to the NFL game. Twitter I don't know if y'all have heard of Paul Alexander the former offensive line coach. He knows more about both lines than anyone I have ever heard or seen. One thing he commonly points out is how the college game has changed due to the NCAA mandated limits on practice that virtually no lineman is anywhere near NFL ready when they come out. He gives as a huge reason the use of spread offenses and shotgun snaps almost exclusively these days. He points out that it is the simplest scheme to use given the lack of practice and teaching time. But it tremendously retards the development of players on both sides of the ball. In you have time look for some of the segments that Alexander has provided in the past. I guarantee you'll learn something new and good. I have every time I have heard him, that's for certain.
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