Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season

iceshack149 · 01-26-2024, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I can appreciate the article. Instead of beating the dead horse over and over, it's looking for player personnel solutions that can help us improve for next season. We need to come to grasp with the reality that Loomis and Allen will be here next season.

Originally Posted by Sinner

See…the horse ain’t dead yet. That’s why we’re still beating it.

There's no horse left it's been beaten so much.

Sinner · 01-26-2024, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

There's no horse left it's been beaten so much.

The same horse will be back next season.

neugey · 01-26-2024, 11:38 AM

Must: OT, P
Need: OG, DT, LB, S (or bring back Abram)
Want: K (Reichard), RB, QB (only if it's an absolute draft bargain), TE (only if Bowers falls in rd1 or we could get Texas Sanders in round 2)

Find cheap:
DE/edge (good history here with Gallete, Hendrickson, Granderson)
WR (will be crazy depth in late rounds, UDFA)

Thoughts:
Give Haener a few seasons at QB2 if we don't draft a QB. Need to show some confidence in him and let him sink or swim else we're just wasting the picks used to get him.

papz · 01-26-2024, 01:36 PM

Matt Araiza deserves another shot. He's an absolute weapon on special teams.

MatthewT · 01-26-2024, 02:53 PM

If the Saints really intend on moving Lattimore, the first call I would make is to Chicago. Offer Lattimore and a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields. Fields still has a year left on his rookie deal, plus the 5th year option can be picked up. If he pans out then great, if not then no big deal.

BakoSaint · 01-26-2024, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by papz

I can appreciate the article. Instead of beating the dead horse over and over, it's looking for player personnel solutions that can help us improve for next season. We need to come to grasp with the reality that Loomis and Allen will be here next season.

When your toilet is clogged and the landlord is not going to send a plumber as quickly as your like, coming to grasps with it does not require pretending it doesnt stink or agreeing with the landlords delays.

BakoSaint · 01-26-2024, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

If the Saints really intend on moving Lattimore, the first call I would make is to Chicago. Offer Lattimore and a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields. Fields still has a year left on his rookie deal, plus the 5th year option can be picked up. If he pans out then great, if not then no big deal.

They wont due it because it would admit defeat on Carr. They shouldnt do it because we dont have the oline or offensive coaching to give Field a fair shot, we cant initially start him, and if we turn to him later in the year and he plays well he will be expensive and high injury risk. Expensive used running qb is a terrible investment and we could not be ready to compete while he is still on a cheap deal.

Rugby Saint II · 01-26-2024, 04:39 PM

Musts: OT(2), OG, and a DT to pair with Bresee

Needs: RB, TE, and slot CB

Wants: Safety, LB, WR, DE, and punter.

I like our Aussie punter! There are a lot of schools teaching the rugby kick because it is so difficult to field cleanly because of the way the ball spins. This kicking style has heavily limited the punt return yards and pins the opponents inside the twenty on a regular basis. One thing about Lou Hedley is that he doesn't outkick his coverage unit. He is at the bottom of the league for yards per punts though, and I could see another Aussie kicker brought into compete this offseason.

I also wonder how many of Grupe's kicks were missed because of the holder not getting the placement right? I seriously doubt that Hedley is a very experienced holder and it could factor in to the misses.

Incidentally, rugby players only hold for a kick at goal when the wind won't allow for a clean approach to the ball. USA rugby allowed it even before we introduced the kicking tee in the late 1950's. We could also use sand, saw dust, or dirt to prepare for the kick at goal. You also see a lot of drop kicks at goal which is a dynamic play to watch because they can happen from anywhere at the field.

AsylumGuido · 01-26-2024, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

When your toilet is clogged and the landlord is not going to send a plumber as quickly as your like, coming to grasps with it does not require pretending it doesnt stink or agreeing with the landlords delays.

I guess your toilet remains perpetually clogged given your level of discontent. Maybe it's time for you to move to a different house if you hate the one you are in so much. I have heard there are 31 others that have some vacancies.

As for myself, my toilet is operating quite well, thank you.

But, then again, perhaps the problem is that you are dropping so much crap that there isn't any plumbing system on Earth that can satisfy your personal needs. Ever consider changing your diet?

lee909 · 01-26-2024, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Loomis and said he's he clearly one of the very best GM's in the league today. They said his ability to keep a competitive product on the field for two decades is virtually unmatched elsewhere in the NFL.

I've got to say I agree completely.

Failed to make the playoffs 7 in last 12 season

5 losing seasons in 12

Only 4 of the last 12 season has the team gained double digit wins.

The draft classes outside of maybe one or two have been average at best.

01-26-2024, 11:20 AM	#11
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,339 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by papz I can appreciate the article. Instead of beating the dead horse over and over, it's looking for player personnel solutions that can help us improve for next season. We need to come to grasp with the reality that Loomis and Allen will be here next season. Originally Posted by Sinner See…the horse ain’t dead yet. That’s why we’re still beating it. There's no horse left it's been beaten so much. papz, AsylumGuido and Sinner like this.

01-26-2024, 11:28 AM	#12
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,048	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by iceshack149 There's no horse left it's been beaten so much. The same horse will be back next season. K Major likes this.
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01-26-2024, 11:38 AM	#13
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Must: OT, P Need: OG, DT, LB, S (or bring back Abram) Want: K (Reichard), RB, QB (only if it's an absolute draft bargain), TE (only if Bowers falls in rd1 or we could get Texas Sanders in round 2) Find cheap: DE/edge (good history here with Gallete, Hendrickson, Granderson) WR (will be crazy depth in late rounds, UDFA) Thoughts: Give Haener a few seasons at QB2 if we don't draft a QB. Need to show some confidence in him and let him sink or swim else we're just wasting the picks used to get him. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

01-26-2024, 01:36 PM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Matt Araiza deserves another shot. He's an absolute weapon on special teams. MatthewT and neugey like this.

01-26-2024, 02:53 PM	#15
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season If the Saints really intend on moving Lattimore, the first call I would make is to Chicago. Offer Lattimore and a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields. Fields still has a year left on his rookie deal, plus the 5th year option can be picked up. If he pans out then great, if not then no big deal.

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01-26-2024, 03:33 PM	#16
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,308	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by papz I can appreciate the article. Instead of beating the dead horse over and over, it's looking for player personnel solutions that can help us improve for next season. We need to come to grasp with the reality that Loomis and Allen will be here next season. When your toilet is clogged and the landlord is not going to send a plumber as quickly as your like, coming to grasps with it does not require pretending it doesnt stink or agreeing with the landlords delays.
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01-26-2024, 03:36 PM	#17
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,308	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by MatthewT If the Saints really intend on moving Lattimore, the first call I would make is to Chicago. Offer Lattimore and a 2nd round pick for Justin Fields. Fields still has a year left on his rookie deal, plus the 5th year option can be picked up. If he pans out then great, if not then no big deal. They wont due it because it would admit defeat on Carr. They shouldnt do it because we dont have the oline or offensive coaching to give Field a fair shot, we cant initially start him, and if we turn to him later in the year and he plays well he will be expensive and high injury risk. Expensive used running qb is a terrible investment and we could not be ready to compete while he is still on a cheap deal.
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01-26-2024, 04:39 PM	#18
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Musts: OT(2), OG, and a DT to pair with Bresee Needs: RB, TE, and slot CB Wants: Safety, LB, WR, DE, and punter. I like our Aussie punter! There are a lot of schools teaching the rugby kick because it is so difficult to field cleanly because of the way the ball spins. This kicking style has heavily limited the punt return yards and pins the opponents inside the twenty on a regular basis. One thing about Lou Hedley is that he doesn't outkick his coverage unit. He is at the bottom of the league for yards per punts though, and I could see another Aussie kicker brought into compete this offseason. I also wonder how many of Grupe's kicks were missed because of the holder not getting the placement right? I seriously doubt that Hedley is a very experienced holder and it could factor in to the misses. Incidentally, rugby players only hold for a kick at goal when the wind won't allow for a clean approach to the ball. USA rugby allowed it even before we introduced the kicking tee in the late 1950's. We could also use sand, saw dust, or dirt to prepare for the kick at goal. You also see a lot of drop kicks at goal which is a dynamic play to watch because they can happen from anywhere at the field.
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01-26-2024, 04:44 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by BakoSaint When your toilet is clogged and the landlord is not going to send a plumber as quickly as your like, coming to grasps with it does not require pretending it doesnt stink or agreeing with the landlords delays. I guess your toilet remains perpetually clogged given your level of discontent. Maybe it's time for you to move to a different house if you hate the one you are in so much. I have heard there are 31 others that have some vacancies. As for myself, my toilet is operating quite well, thank you. But, then again, perhaps the problem is that you are dropping so much crap that there isn't any plumbing system on Earth that can satisfy your personal needs. Ever consider changing your diet?

01-26-2024, 04:50 PM	#20
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,855 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Loomis and said he's he clearly one of the very best GM's in the league today. They said his ability to keep a competitive product on the field for two decades is virtually unmatched elsewhere in the NFL. I've got to say I agree completely. Failed to make the playoffs 7 in last 12 season 5 losing seasons in 12 Only 4 of the last 12 season has the team gained double digit wins. The draft classes outside of maybe one or two have been average at best. turbo_dog and K Major like this.