Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season

BakoSaint · 01-29-2024, 07:12 PM

People who think my hate for Loomis absorbs my life know nothing else about my life. Everyone is allowed to hate one or two public figures and there is nothing wrong with blowing off steam. I also enjoy family time, good food, various tv shows, travel, and have a good career. But Mickey Loomis is a **** GM.

A concern I have with Derek Carr is that although his overall stats may be average to slightly above average they came against weak opponents and he seems to pad them when his team no longer controls its own destiny and the pressure is off to some degree because if they lose it may not have mattered anyway and expectations are lower. When Carr heated up in the final games the Saints also had among the easiest schedules in that stretch. Also he has never won a playoff game, and has rarely gotten it done in the key games needed to get to the playoffs. My fear is that if we built the team around him to get him home field in the playoffs, it would be like bringing Matt Ryan to the playoffs. I also dont feel bad criticizing him and potentially undermining his confidence thiugh because I noticed he played better this season after getting booed at home and called out by analysts. Maybe if none of us believed in him he could finally suceed.

I dont think corner is a too need even if Lattimore departs. I believe Adebo and Taylor are starting edge corners in this league and Yiadom is a starter or top backup. We have had success finding good young secondary in the second round or later in the draft if needed and would be wise to keep doing that and not waste big free agent dollars or our 1st round pick there. Remember, we went on a winning streak with Lattimore hurt. Thomas too.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2024, 09:26 AM

Triplett makes sense here. We all know we need help on both lines, but as he mentions, we all also know it takes some time for almost all linemen, especially offensive, to adjust to the NFL game.

I don't know if y'all have heard of Paul Alexander the former offensive line coach. He knows more about both lines than anyone I have ever heard or seen. One thing he commonly points out is how the college game has changed due to the NCAA mandated limits on practice that virtually no lineman is anywhere near NFL ready when they come out. He gives as a huge reason the use of spread offenses and shotgun snaps almost exclusively these days. He points out that it is the simplest scheme to use given the lack of practice and teaching time. But it tremendously retards the development of players on both sides of the ball.

In you have time look for some of the segments that Alexander has provided in the past. I guarantee you'll learn something new and good. I have every time I have heard him, that's for certain.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2024, 09:38 AM

bobdog86 · 01-30-2024, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

People who think my hate for Loomis absorbs my life know nothing else about my life. Everyone is allowed to hate one or two public figures and there is nothing wrong with blowing off steam. I also enjoy family time, good food, various tv shows, travel, and have a good career. But Mickey Loomis is a **** GM.

A concern I have with Derek Carr is that although his overall stats may be average to slightly above average they came against weak opponents and he seems to pad them when his team no longer controls its own destiny and the pressure is off to some degree because if they lose it may not have mattered anyway and expectations are lower. When Carr heated up in the final games the Saints also had among the easiest schedules in that stretch. Also he has never won a playoff game, and has rarely gotten it done in the key games needed to get to the playoffs. My fear is that if we built the team around him to get him home field in the playoffs, it would be like bringing Matt Ryan to the playoffs. I also dont feel bad criticizing him and potentially undermining his confidence thiugh because I noticed he played better this season after getting booed at home and called out by analysts. Maybe if none of us believed in him he could finally suceed.

I dont think corner is a too need even if Lattimore departs. I believe Adebo and Taylor are starting edge corners in this league and Yiadom is a starter or top backup. We have had success finding good young secondary in the second round or later in the draft if needed and would be wise to keep doing that and not waste big free agent dollars or our 1st round pick there. Remember, we went on a winning streak with Lattimore hurt. Thomas too.

Can't disagree with this...the only thing I'd add is Loomis was great, then was average, and now its time to move on.

01-29-2024, 07:12 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,308	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season People who think my hate for Loomis absorbs my life know nothing else about my life. Everyone is allowed to hate one or two public figures and there is nothing wrong with blowing off steam. I also enjoy family time, good food, various tv shows, travel, and have a good career. But Mickey Loomis is a **** GM. A concern I have with Derek Carr is that although his overall stats may be average to slightly above average they came against weak opponents and he seems to pad them when his team no longer controls its own destiny and the pressure is off to some degree because if they lose it may not have mattered anyway and expectations are lower. When Carr heated up in the final games the Saints also had among the easiest schedules in that stretch. Also he has never won a playoff game, and has rarely gotten it done in the key games needed to get to the playoffs. My fear is that if we built the team around him to get him home field in the playoffs, it would be like bringing Matt Ryan to the playoffs. I also dont feel bad criticizing him and potentially undermining his confidence thiugh because I noticed he played better this season after getting booed at home and called out by analysts. Maybe if none of us believed in him he could finally suceed. I dont think corner is a too need even if Lattimore departs. I believe Adebo and Taylor are starting edge corners in this league and Yiadom is a starter or top backup. We have had success finding good young secondary in the second round or later in the draft if needed and would be wise to keep doing that and not waste big free agent dollars or our 1st round pick there. Remember, we went on a winning streak with Lattimore hurt. Thomas too. Danno, Sinner and bobdog86 like this.
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01-30-2024, 09:26 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Triplett makes sense here. We all know we need help on both lines, but as he mentions, we all also know it takes some time for almost all linemen, especially offensive, to adjust to the NFL game. Twitter I don't know if y'all have heard of Paul Alexander the former offensive line coach. He knows more about both lines than anyone I have ever heard or seen. One thing he commonly points out is how the college game has changed due to the NCAA mandated limits on practice that virtually no lineman is anywhere near NFL ready when they come out. He gives as a huge reason the use of spread offenses and shotgun snaps almost exclusively these days. He points out that it is the simplest scheme to use given the lack of practice and teaching time. But it tremendously retards the development of players on both sides of the ball. In you have time look for some of the segments that Alexander has provided in the past. I guarantee you'll learn something new and good. I have every time I have heard him, that's for certain.
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01-30-2024, 09:38 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Twitter

01-30-2024, 10:44 AM	#4
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,483	Re: Saints Musts, Needs, and Wants for 2024 Season Originally Posted by BakoSaint People who think my hate for Loomis absorbs my life know nothing else about my life. Everyone is allowed to hate one or two public figures and there is nothing wrong with blowing off steam. I also enjoy family time, good food, various tv shows, travel, and have a good career. But Mickey Loomis is a **** GM. A concern I have with Derek Carr is that although his overall stats may be average to slightly above average they came against weak opponents and he seems to pad them when his team no longer controls its own destiny and the pressure is off to some degree because if they lose it may not have mattered anyway and expectations are lower. When Carr heated up in the final games the Saints also had among the easiest schedules in that stretch. Also he has never won a playoff game, and has rarely gotten it done in the key games needed to get to the playoffs. My fear is that if we built the team around him to get him home field in the playoffs, it would be like bringing Matt Ryan to the playoffs. I also dont feel bad criticizing him and potentially undermining his confidence thiugh because I noticed he played better this season after getting booed at home and called out by analysts. Maybe if none of us believed in him he could finally suceed. I dont think corner is a too need even if Lattimore departs. I believe Adebo and Taylor are starting edge corners in this league and Yiadom is a starter or top backup. We have had success finding good young secondary in the second round or later in the draft if needed and would be wise to keep doing that and not waste big free agent dollars or our 1st round pick there. Remember, we went on a winning streak with Lattimore hurt. Thomas too. Can't disagree with this...the only thing I'd add is Loomis was great, then was average, and now its time to move on. Sinner likes this.

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