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How about Tyler Guyton in the 2nd round?

Has the size, good lateral quickness & can play BOTH RT & LT.

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Since the combine, pretty much every mock draft has him going in the first, but that would be great if he was there in the second for the taking. I like the versatility.
I don’t care if it’s the first or second round we grab o line, just as long as they can start quickly and fits our scheme.
Oh, and preferably without a injury prone history

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Kingsley Suamataia, BYU

OT - transfer from Oregon St.

Day 2 projection.

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Patrick Paul/OT- Houston

Another intriguing day two prospect

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Give me big uglies!

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Run blocking needs a little work, no biggie, but other than that, pretty impressive.
I really like this guy for a day two pick

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If we go O line with our first pick, then I’d like to go D line with our second. I’m really liking Darius Robinson for that pick if he’s there. He’s almost exactly same height and weight as Cam Jordan and can potentially be just as good. He also has the versatility to slide inside as well. I think he may be gone by late first round though.

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In the last 12 months the Saints gave fresh new high dollar contracts/extensions to two defensive ends, used their 1st round pick at Defensive Tackle, and signed two additional defensive tackles to mid-tier free agent contracts. If defensive line and particularly pass rush are our biggest need, or even second biggest need, that is to some degree and indictment of the front office.

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yadda, yadda.

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If I was 13 and this was tiktok, this message would be a meme from a famous Jack Nicholson line in a A Few Good Men.

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Not being 13 is no excuse for your sick obsession. Then again, maybe you are 13. It would explain a lot.

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I must be the only sports fan in America who wants a team they follow to move on from a coach or general manager whom they are critical of.

You can't handle the facts: we gave new guaranteed money to Jordan and Granderson less than 12 months ago and now Defensive End is one of our biggest draft needs. That is not a good look.

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The only one that I know of who has been running it into the ground now on your second forum, ad nauseum, after getting banned from your previous forum membership some self-proclaimed six years ago and then authoring a goofy-assed loomishate.com or whatever website and trying to push it here as well.

Yup. Pretty sure I haven't run across that one before.

:rolleyes:

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Graham Barton/ OL- Duke

Primarily plays LT but projected to play any three interior positions due to shorter arm length.
Mock drafts show him going late first to early second. Looks like a promising legit O lineman

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JC Latham - Alabama

OT

2 year starter, 13 starts at RT. Big, imposing guy who is extremely powerful. Held his own against the best DE's in the mighty SEC.

Projected Day 1 draft pick.

IMO, we need more help at tackle. 3 years in we still don't know what Trevor Penning will become, Peat could play elsewhere in 2024 and Ramz knee will not get better with time.

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Hendrickson is the one that hurts ... Granderson earned his contract. Jordan is still productive.

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To be fair, Hendrickson's first three years were dismal. He averaged barely over two sacks a season and was only active an average of ten games per year. Year four was far more productive but much of that was credited to Jordan's constantly being double teamed, rightly or wrongly. I thought the year was a fluke. I suspect I wasn't alone. But, yes, we missed on that one.

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When you play with a raging dumpster fire of a cap situation you're going to get burned repeatedly.

IIRC, Trey ended up with more sacks than the Saints entire defensive line in 2023. Yikes 😱 !

I’d say the front office miscalculated that one big time by foolishly letting him walk.

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Isn't he a little slow footed? My dentist is an Alabama booster/fanatic and we just talked about the Alabama prospects in this years draft. He thinks he'll move inside to guard in the pros.

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Coach him up boss.

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It appears the Saints get three 5th rounders in compensatory picks.

Will it be spent adroitly?

NOLA

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I read a good bit on this guy and I don’t remember that ever being mentioned about him. I went back and found this….

“Displays a stout anchor and lateral mobility in pass protection, effectively neutralizing speed-to-power transitions and reacting to defensive counters.
In the zone run scheme, his athleticism shines through, achieving reach-blocks and backside seals with high efficiency and fluidity”

And then this…

Built like a big NFL guard but protects like an NFL tackle.
Quick into pass sets, maintaining posture and balance through the rep.
Syncs feet with active, independent hands for effective mirroring.
Firm inside hand and consistent arm extension help negate rush momentum.
Possesses true knock-back pop with heavy hands and explosive hips.
Turns early advantages into quick knockouts with his furious finishes.
Upper-body power to catch, turn and seal play-side edge setters.
Grip strength allows him to save blocks that start to slip away.

Doesn’t seem slow footed to me at all. He also has stated he wants to play LT.


Kubiak system apparently uses a zone scheme, and that just so happens to be what Alabama used if I’m not mistaken. I would not be upset at all with this pick.

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Isaac Guerendo - RB
Louisville

Explosive & has elite speed (4.33). Also had really high RAS scores.
Has pass catching (played some WR in college) experience as well.

Take a flyer at him on Day 3 (rounds 4-6).

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There's been another adjustment to the compensatory picks.

From the link above:

The NFL made an adjustment to the compensatory pick formula for the upcoming 2024 NFL Draft, which moved what was a sixth-round pick for the Cincinnati Bengals up to a third-round pick at No. 97 overall. So what’s the ripple effect for the New Orleans Saints?

Ultimately, this also moves the remaining compensatory picks behind 97 overall down one spot. The Saints began with picks at No. 167, 169, and 174, which will now all move down to 168, 170, and 175.

After this adjustment, here is what the Saints’ 2024 draft picks are looking like:

Round 1, Pick 14
Round 2, Pick 45 (via Denver Broncos)
Round 5, Pick 150
Round 5, Pick 168 (compensatory)
Round 5, Pick 170 (compensatory)
Round 5, Pick 175 (compensatory)
Round 6, Pick 190
Round 6, Pick 199 (via Philadelphia Eagles)
Round 7, Pick 239 (via Denver Broncos)

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We could really use some elite, speed at the position.

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Thank God that Loomis started using this to our advantage or we'd be in pretty sad shape right about now.

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I hope there's an early run on the QB's to push ours needs down closer to #14.

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Please don't let Atlanta get Dallas Turner!! My worst nightmare.

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Yep.

Or maybe they go with Verse (Fl St) or possibly Lata (UCLA).

If Dallas does indeed end up with Atlanta, I hope he sucks :p

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My worst nightmare would have been Atlanta getting young franchise QB who can win in the playoffs without having to do a blockbuster trade that robs them of future first round picks or signing a free agent that nukes their salary cap. Perhaps JJ McCarthy is the real deal or one of the top 3 QBs slips unexpectedly like Aaron Rodgers did or a QB expected to go later is the next Mahomes in the mid 1st round. Now that can't happen. Atlanta may win the division, but I am happy the scenario where they get a ring won't happen. Maybe if they find Kirk Cousins his Daniel Hunter they will go 13-4, but I am not afraid.

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DT - Byron Murphy
Texas

Very good against the run & has quickness.

Strong lower body, gets good positioning on his opponents.

Some have compared his skill set to Grady Jarrett.

2nd round grades.

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Mike Triplette is wrong.

The TE experiment with Juwan Johnson should be over.
He does not move the needle. No need to wait 4 years :rolleyes:.

Go draft another TE. It’s time.

Copy cat league, go do what the winning organizations are doing.
See Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musgrave & Sam LaPorta. Immediate contributors from the 2023 rookie class.

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LaPorta was not a 1st round pick. Virtually no great tight ends since Tony Gonzalez have been. Most of the greats are middle round guys.

Kincaid did not move the needle for Buffalo. They regressed.

Musgrave had 350 yards receiving.

LaPorta had one good season. Durability is a major risk at TE and he has not stood the test of anything yet nor did he win a ring. A 3rd round TE and a 5th round TE played in the big game.

The best approach at TE is to throw darts in the middle rounds with the best scouts you can find. First round sure things dont work at that position.

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Hockenson. #8 overall.

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Wait, what?! Brother, I think you missed my point.

If you think the Saints are going places with Juwan or Foster, you are sadly mistaken. Musgrave had 350 yards of production as a rookie, but how many did Foster have in 2023?

As for Kincad, he was a baller in post season & was money vs Pittsburgh opening round of the playoffs & led all WR's in production the following week in the divisional rd vs the Champs.

How is advancing to the divisional rd of the playoffs (Something Saints haven't seen in 4 seasons) regressing?

Would you consider Adam Trautman aka the Fish a middle round target? How well did that go for him in New Orleans? That was a terrible dart throw by the organization.

And lastly, LaPorta was a ROOKIE in 2023 & played up to his draft status. FYI, Sam played in all 17 games (started in 14) boss & had 97 yards of offense vs Niners in the NFC championship game. I can only go by what I see on Sundays. The NFL is production driven league. If you aren't producing, you will get replaced.

We need better talent & production at the TE position.

The draft as a whole is a risk (see Davenport, Payton Turner, Penning and WTFoskey). "No risk it, no biscuit".

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Maybe the Saints scouts should target IOWA Hawkeyes more closely ...

Kittle
Hockenson
LaPorta
Noah Fant

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The 2022 Bills went 13-4 and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. The 2023 Bills went 11-6 and lost in the 2nd round of the playoffs. How did Kinkaid make them so amazingly better? Leading all receivers on your team in a playoffs loss is not necessarily a good thing. It means the opposing defenses game plan to focus elsewhere worked.

TE just doesn't work like other positions in the draft. Yes Adam Trautman was a horrible disaster, one of the worst Saints of all time, and he was a mid rounder, but we were Kelce, Kittle, Gronk, Gates, Graham, etc. Just imagine our infinite 4 straight super bowl glory if we took the first TE off the board Cole Kmet instead of waiting to the mid rounds to take a shot on Trautman. In this case Kmet has been decent I grant you, but he has never made a pro bowl and when he was taken the following players were available taken in the next 10 picks: antoine winfield jr, jaylon johnson, trevon diggs, jalen hurts.

The draft is a crapshoot but TE is different because the biggest stars are divided almost evenly between rounds 1-7 in terms of where they were selected. At other positions, like half the big stars come from the first or maybe 2nd round.

We need better talent at TE but the best way to get that is to spend more picks at the position in Rounds 2-7 not to ever waste a 1st round pick on it. If you are going to draft TE it would always be better to trade back out of the first round. The Ravens for example addressed TE with a sure thing HOF lock championship glory 1st round TE in 2018 and then took a flyer on a second rate mid round TE later in the draft. The 1st round TE was Hayden Hurt and the late 3rd rounder was Mark Andrews. This is not the exception at TE this is the rule. This is not the one Brock Purdy miracle story. Most good TE come from later rounds.