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It has tackle Taliese Fuaga as the most likely.

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Love Fiske. Want him in round 2 after Fuaga.

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Really impressive in those agility drills. For a big guy, he’s smooth.

Top 50 pick for sure.

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He has a much better RAS than the DT out of Mizzou. Saints value RAS still.

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Have to be able to affect the QB from any spot. Only issue with Fiske is that he'll be nearly 25 years old this season.

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No worries. He should be broken in by now. Age and treachery overcome youth and endurance every time! :wink:

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Patrick Paul
OT - Houston

Length,size (6'7, 335) and power. All Big 12 performer.
Good senior bowl showing. Redshirt senior, RAS score of 9.75.

2nd day grades throughout.

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The argument against would be drafting a guy you'll have on the team for what, one contract?

Common belief is most College FB players take 2-3 seasons to acclimate to the NFL. Ok, then your draft pick is peaking at 27-28 vs 24-25.

Brian Breese will be 23 in October. I'd look for another younger player like him.

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Excellent points!

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Excellent point!

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I wonder if the talent is really up on offense and down on defense in this draft or if because the past season was anomalously down offensively across most of the league, too many teams see offense as their greatest need. If everyone is drafting offense, that becomes an argument to draft defense. If offense being down across the league is a long term trend, maybe our receivers are better than we think and our corners are worse than we think, and likewise our offensive line is better than we think and our defensive line is worse than we think, because lower offensive success and higher defensive success is the new normal.

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The way I have heard it explained is not that offensive talent is up in the draft or that defensive talent is down. The fact is that there is a greater need offensively and the demand will be greater early for the supposed cream of the crop. Offensive linemen are coming out of college ill-prepared as compared to the past and only a small handful might be considered close to being ready to throw into the mix and all of those are likely to go in the first round. I counted nine or ten offensive linemen favored to go in round one with fingers crossed by teams hoping that they can be plugged in and play right away somehow.

QB's are also in great demand. As many a six are projected to go in round one. Historically four or five of those will not be starting in three years.

On the other hand, WR's seem to be coming out more prepared than ever. There may be as many as seven this year going early. And then there's Bowers at TE.

That makes as many as 22 of the 32 picks being offense. It seems to me that there should be more high end defensive talent available in round two this year.

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I see your point Guido, and I like it. I believe that there should still be a great prospect there at #14 at a position of need which should be an OT or WR. BPA in the first round has great value this year with the early first round being very active with trades for QB's.

I want Brock Bowers in the first round if he's there. If not, a great consolation prize is a top three tackle! :beatnik:

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Saints aren’t drafting a TE @ pick 14.

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I don't know about that K. Bowers looks like a generational tight end and if he's there at #14 then he's the BPA and great value. Honestly, I want a tackle there because I want the O line to get better and we need to address it in the draft.....but I could live with Bowers and who ever we traded back into the early second round for on the O line if we double dipped at the position.

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Michael Hall Jr
DL - Ohio St

Strong upper body, quick & good footwork.
Long arms and has that “get off” vs offensive lineman


Day 2 grades (2-4th rounds)

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Trade up and get JD from LSU. He’s Mahomes 2.0.

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Hey, stranger. Who Dat! :bng:

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I think if 22 of 32 picks in the First Round are offense, it could benefit a team to be contrarian and pick defense regardless of need. If the talent level is similar, OT is our need and we should pick OT. But if teams are passing on potentially great 1st round defenders for offensive players who would normally go in the 2nd round just because offense is down across the league, and drafting 2nd round offensive talents in the 1st round won't fix those offensive problems and is just a sign of overreaction and desperation, then in a lower scoring league the best team could be the one that ignores the herd mentality and takes advantage of the overreaction to get elite defenders. There just isn't any situation where it will really pay to pass on Warren Sapp for Kyle Turley, pass on Patrick Peterson for Emmanuel Sanders, or pass on Ray Lewis for Mark Ingram II.

When offense was on the rise throughout the league, and defenses were struggling more and more every year, I don't think that teams overreacted about their individual defenses struggles and stopped drafting offensive players, for the most part. The rise of offense was seen as a natural evolution of the league, and while drafting for team needs, if a much better offensive player was available you would take them and win by leading the trend of greater offenses not fighting it with defense. If those trends are temporarily reversing and offense is down, it may hit different emotionally, but logically if a defended is available who we rank by far as BPA, we should draft them, in every round if necessary.

Being contrarian could have even more advantages. If teams draft offense heavily in the early the rounds, they could shift to drafting more defense in later rounds to fill out the roster. Whatever round that flips, the added value for drafting defenders could quickly be erased, and by the 3rd or 4th round talent levels may be similar. So if it happens that way, a team that draft defense in the first two rounds and offense the rest, in reverse of league trends, might get way more value. And as we have seen in the past, those middle and late round picks can hit too.

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I don't believe in big trades up. I don't care if there is a QB named Archie Peyton Julius Caesar Manning III who just won the Heisman and National Championship. I think when you spend multiple future high picks to trade up you put too much pressure on the athlete, and you deplete the resources needed for them to have a fair chance to succeed. Want a really high pick? Don't trade future picks. Gamble the picks you have without trading for ones you don't and if those gambles don't work out, lose games. Then you will get a high pick. But I am not sure when I have seen mega blockbuster trades really work out, only small strategic moves to move up a little.

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Too many injuries. I wouldn't draft him at #14.

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If we need guard help Mason McCormick would be a good contributor. He was a high school friend of my daughter's and she can vouch for his character. Kid has been handling himself like a pro all along.

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Jared Wiley
TE - TCU

Big target at 6’6, has good technique and length.
Uses his height to his advantage on those 50/50 balls.

He is a good YAC guy. Saints desperately need more of those.

Mid round (3-5) grades.

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You never know … could be a late rd jewel.

Dude NEVER misses games either. Rare durability….

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Jayon Simpson - Auburn
S

Can play deep safety as well as slot.
Takes good angles to the ball.

Knocks - takes some to time (long strider) reach top speed
Needs to wrap up more consistently.

Mid round (3-5) projections

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Just try and get play to fill both sides of the trenches this year unless someone starts to fall thats just too good to let slip.

I think you can enough players to fill any other gaps in FA and with UDFA. But unless they can stop the run and stop the pressure on the QB and actually make some holes for Kamara then the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Looking long term there are big decisions to make especially in 2025, but theres a big light at the end of the tunnel after this season with the cap though it will mean letting go of some players and leaving holes in the team

Going into 2025 season, going by overthecap
Demario Davis will be 36 going on 37 by the start of the playoffs
Taysom Hill will be 35 by the season starts
Lattimore 29
Cam Jordan 36
Alvin Kamara 30


Ryan Ramczyk will most likely retire
And Derek Carr contract looks cutable with a post June cut



The team needs a major youth injection

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Why cut the reigning NFL MVP?

:confused:

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I was gonna trade in my 10yo suv in a year or so, but why let go of the reigning formula one monaco grand prix champ?

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You got a Toyota? Good for you. :D

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Since the Saints are widely known to covet the RAS, here are the top RAS scores heading into the draft.

I highlighted my own "cloud" of favorites to be drafted by the Saints.

WR Adonai Mitchell — 9.99
G Graham Barton – 9.98
TE Theo Johnson — 9.95 trade up late round 3?
OT Joe Alt — 9.93 He slides to #10, we should trade up
DT Ruke Orhorhoro — 9.93
WR Rome Odunze — 9.92
DT Braden Fiske — 9.90 #45
WR Ricky Pearsall — 9.90 #45
WR Xavier Legette — 9.89 #45
LB Payton Wilson — 9.89
S Cole Bishop — 9.88 Trade into Round 4
WR Brian Thomas Jr. — 9.81
RB Jaylen Wright — 9.81
CB Quinyon Mitchell — 9.81
C Tanor Bortolini —9.78
RB Trey Benson — 9.77
WR Devontez Walker — 9.76
OT Tyler Guyton — 9.74
TE Ben Sinnott — 9.74
DE Chop Robinson — 9.73
WR Johnny Wilson — 9.70 Round 5
WR Malik Nabers — 9.68
OT Patrick Paul — 9.68
OT Troy Fautanu — 9.64
OT Taliese Fuaga — 9.63 #14
OT Olu Fashanu — 9.61 $14
OT Amarius Mims — 9.60
DE Marshawn Kneeland — 9.59
DE Jared Verse — 9.58 #14
QB Michael Penix — 9.57
CB Nate Wiggins — 9.44
OT Kingsley Suamataia — 9.42
WR Xavier Worthy — 9.41
DE Laiatu Latu — 9.37
WR Ladd McConkey — 9.34
G Cooper Beebe — 9.29
DT Michael Hall — 9.27
OT Jordan Morgan — 9.26 #45
CB Terrion Arnold — 9.25
DT Byron Murphy II — 9.23
OT Roger Rosengarten — 9.21
OG Christian Haynes — 9.13
LB Edgerrin Cooper —9.12
CB Max Melton — 9.12
WR Troy Franklin — 9.02