Official 2024 Free Agency Discussion

leilung · 02-02-2024, 10:20 AM

Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future.

This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys!

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

BakoSaint · 02-02-2024, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future.

This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys!

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

If we are smart, which in my experience Mickey Loomis is not, we can realistically move on from Carr in spring 2025. His 2024 $30 millionsalary was guaranteed so we could not save anything much by cutting him, and although the restructure will make the dead cap higher to cut him in 2025 we had to restructure 3/4 of our veterans and it does not matter that much which we choose as long as we cut some of the lousy ones not some of the good ones. It becomes a sunk cost whether the restructure is Carr or Jordan or McCoy etc. Restucturing Carr does guarantee his 2025 $10 million roster bonus but his $30 million 2025 base salary is not guaranteed. $10 million guaranteed is a lot easier to move on from than $30 million guaranteed but the dead cap hit to cut in in 2025 would be big, like $50 million, but at least we save that $30 million to offset. The big thing we need to do to be smart is to get ourselves in a better position with the 2025 cap so we can afford to move on from Carr if needed. To do that we need to use whatever small amount of cap flexibility we can create in 2024 to move on from other aging vets without guaranteed salaries, not to add players to win now as if Hunter Renfrow will be our answer to Patrick Mahomes. If we take some cap hits to offload a few plyers like Thomas, Winston, Kamara, Ram, Lattimore trade, Hill, etc, not all but some, we can free up cap to have options with Carr in 2025. If we go all in, Carr could go 0-17 and curse the popes name to Gayles facr and we will have to restructure him for life.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2024, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future.

This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys!

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson.

mapcow · 02-02-2024, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson.

....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team...

Sinner · 02-02-2024, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team...

The hypnosis runs deep.

Sinner · 02-02-2024, 10:54 AM

There will be pain.

neugey · 02-02-2024, 11:31 AM

Raiders and Bucs both have their OC positions penciled in.

But alas there are TJ Hooker reruns that Mickey needs to watch.

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2024, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Raiders and Bucs both have their OC positions penciled in.

But alas there are TJ Hooker reruns that Mickey needs to watch.

We'll have to keep waiting if our new OC is on the 49er's staff. We're not allowed to sign a coach still active although I have heard that "wink, wink" deals are not unheard of.

papz · 02-02-2024, 12:03 PM

NOLA.com’s Luke Johnson reports the Saints plan to restructure Derek Carr’s contract before the start of the new league year.

The league’s new year starts March 13. The restructure essentially means Carr will be with the Saints through the 2025 season. He’ll count as a $35.7 million salary cap hit next season if the Saints don’t scramble to redo the deal and get under the cap. It’s a familiar situation for the perpetually cap-strapped Saints. In his first year as New Orleans’ starter, Carr threw for 3,878 yards and 25 touchdowns along with eight interceptions. He was 17th in adjusted drop back EPA, just ahead of Russell Wilson. Johnson said the Saints “believe [Carr] is the right quarterback to lead the team.”

Source: NOLA.com

Danno · 02-03-2024, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by papz

NOLA.com’s Luke Johnson reports the Saints plan to restructure Derek Carr’s contract before the start of the new league year.

The league’s new year starts March 13. The restructure essentially means Carr will be with the Saints through the 2025 season. He’ll count as a $35.7 million salary cap hit next season if the Saints don’t scramble to redo the deal and get under the cap. It’s a familiar situation for the perpetually cap-strapped Saints. In his first year as New Orleans’ starter, Carr threw for 3,878 yards and 25 touchdowns along with eight interceptions. He was 17th in adjusted drop back EPA, just ahead of Russell Wilson. Johnson said the Saints “believe [Carr] is the right quarterback to lead the team.”

Source: NOLA.com

The 1st half of the season our O-line was a sieve. Carr was forced to either throw too early, resulting in "hospital" balls or he had to take a sack.

I feel if we fix our O-line then Carr can be that QB that could lead us deep into the playoffs.

But as long as we have a terrible O-line, Carr, as well as any other QB, will fail.

Mission 1 this offseason is O-line.

02-02-2024, 10:20 AM	#1
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,431	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future. This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys! https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/

02-02-2024, 10:48 AM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,424	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by leilung Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future. This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys! https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/ If we are smart, which in my experience Mickey Loomis is not, we can realistically move on from Carr in spring 2025. His 2024 $30 millionsalary was guaranteed so we could not save anything much by cutting him, and although the restructure will make the dead cap higher to cut him in 2025 we had to restructure 3/4 of our veterans and it does not matter that much which we choose as long as we cut some of the lousy ones not some of the good ones. It becomes a sunk cost whether the restructure is Carr or Jordan or McCoy etc. Restucturing Carr does guarantee his 2025 $10 million roster bonus but his $30 million 2025 base salary is not guaranteed. $10 million guaranteed is a lot easier to move on from than $30 million guaranteed but the dead cap hit to cut in in 2025 would be big, like $50 million, but at least we save that $30 million to offset. The big thing we need to do to be smart is to get ourselves in a better position with the 2025 cap so we can afford to move on from Carr if needed. To do that we need to use whatever small amount of cap flexibility we can create in 2024 to move on from other aging vets without guaranteed salaries, not to add players to win now as if Hunter Renfrow will be our answer to Patrick Mahomes. If we take some cap hits to offload a few plyers like Thomas, Winston, Kamara, Ram, Lattimore trade, Hill, etc, not all but some, we can free up cap to have options with Carr in 2025. If we go all in, Carr could go 0-17 and curse the popes name to Gayles facr and we will have to restructure him for life.
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02-02-2024, 11:19 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by leilung Looks like they're already starting the salary cap shell game. Carr is likely to take restructure. So it looks like with that and the 'No Trade' clause, it looks like he's a Saint for the forseeable future. This is the horse we're riding for good or ill, so strap yourselves in for the ride guys! https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2024...ary-cap-space/ There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson.

02-02-2024, 12:33 PM	#4
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There was never any chance Carr wouldn't be our QB for the foreseeable future. The deal they signed with him was always structured to have simple restructures of salary and roster bonuses. Carr doesn't have to "take" anything. Our contracts always carry the clause where the team can convert those dollars to signing bonus and prorate without any further player input. It's really no difference to them in most cases. In fact, in some cases they can even get their cash sooner. That's what's nice about having a cash rich owner like Ms. Benson. ....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team... Sinner likes this.
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02-02-2024, 01:38 PM	#5
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by mapcow ....and as long as fools like to part with their money....Ms Benson will stay rich owning a mediocre team... The hypnosis runs deep.
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02-02-2024, 10:54 AM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,072	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion There will be pain.
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02-02-2024, 11:31 AM	#7
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,879 Blog Entries: 13	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Raiders and Bucs both have their OC positions penciled in. But alas there are TJ Hooker reruns that Mickey needs to watch. Sinner and bobdog86 like this.

02-02-2024, 12:35 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by neugey Raiders and Bucs both have their OC positions penciled in. But alas there are TJ Hooker reruns that Mickey needs to watch. We'll have to keep waiting if our new OC is on the 49er's staff. We're not allowed to sign a coach still active although I have heard that "wink, wink" deals are not unheard of.

02-02-2024, 12:03 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,797	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion NOLA.com’s Luke Johnson reports the Saints plan to restructure Derek Carr’s contract before the start of the new league year. The league’s new year starts March 13. The restructure essentially means Carr will be with the Saints through the 2025 season. He’ll count as a $35.7 million salary cap hit next season if the Saints don’t scramble to redo the deal and get under the cap. It’s a familiar situation for the perpetually cap-strapped Saints. In his first year as New Orleans’ starter, Carr threw for 3,878 yards and 25 touchdowns along with eight interceptions. He was 17th in adjusted drop back EPA, just ahead of Russell Wilson. Johnson said the Saints “believe [Carr] is the right quarterback to lead the team.” Source: NOLA.com
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02-03-2024, 09:38 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: 2024 Saints Off-Season General News and Discussion Originally Posted by papz NOLA.com’s Luke Johnson reports the Saints plan to restructure Derek Carr’s contract before the start of the new league year. The league’s new year starts March 13. The restructure essentially means Carr will be with the Saints through the 2025 season. He’ll count as a $35.7 million salary cap hit next season if the Saints don’t scramble to redo the deal and get under the cap. It’s a familiar situation for the perpetually cap-strapped Saints. In his first year as New Orleans’ starter, Carr threw for 3,878 yards and 25 touchdowns along with eight interceptions. He was 17th in adjusted drop back EPA, just ahead of Russell Wilson. Johnson said the Saints “believe [Carr] is the right quarterback to lead the team.” Source: NOLA.com The 1st half of the season our O-line was a sieve. Carr was forced to either throw too early, resulting in "hospital" balls or he had to take a sack. I feel if we fix our O-line then Carr can be that QB that could lead us deep into the playoffs. But as long as we have a terrible O-line, Carr, as well as any other QB, will fail. Mission 1 this offseason is O-line. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.