Derek Carr Retires

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2025, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

HIPAA applies to healthcare providers not to the Saints. Tons of teams provide tons of injury updates during the offseason. The Saints did not simply fail to provide injury updates on Carr during the offseason and the Saints have provided many in the past, instead the Saints provided affirmative statements indicating Carr's recovery was going well, declaring they expected him to be their starting QB for the 2025 season. The law doesn't require teams to be silent on players injury outlook in the offseason, and the problem wasn't that the Saints were silent, its that they actively told lies to cover up the truth.

Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams.

The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season.

But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office.

SmashMouth · 05-21-2025, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

HIPAA applies to healthcare providers not to the Saints. Tons of teams provide tons of injury updates during the offseason. The Saints did not simply fail to provide injury updates on Carr during the offseason and the Saints have provided many in the past, instead the Saints provided affirmative statements indicating Carr's recovery was going well, declaring they expected him to be their starting QB for the 2025 season. The law doesn't require teams to be silent on players injury outlook in the offseason, and the problem wasn't that the Saints were silent, its that they actively told lies to cover up the truth.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams.

The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season.

But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office.

HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement?

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2025, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement?

I'm sure the only visit Carr made to a gynecologist would have been related to his wife's pregnancy and miscarriage.

SmashMouth · 05-21-2025, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement?

I am so sorry the joke went over everyone's head. I'll still leave it there in case someone figured it out .

BakoSaint · 05-21-2025, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams.

The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season.

But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office.

If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.

AsylumGuido · 05-21-2025, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.

Have you ever gone to the doctor and signed the form that asks with whom you want information shared? It is a standard waiver. I'm sure every player contract includes similar verbiage allowing limited information being shared with the league. As said, there could be HIPAA considerations depending upon where the information is coming from and whether it is PHI (Personal Health Information). HIPAA applies to healthcare providers (one thing you got right) AND health insurance concerns which includes self-insured health plans. While the team itself isn't subject to HPAA fines, any entity within the team umbrella (like a self-insured plan) that handles said PHI would be subject to those rules and those possible fines.

05-21-2025, 07:44 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by BakoSaint HIPAA applies to healthcare providers not to the Saints. Tons of teams provide tons of injury updates during the offseason. The Saints did not simply fail to provide injury updates on Carr during the offseason and the Saints have provided many in the past, instead the Saints provided affirmative statements indicating Carr's recovery was going well, declaring they expected him to be their starting QB for the 2025 season. The law doesn't require teams to be silent on players injury outlook in the offseason, and the problem wasn't that the Saints were silent, its that they actively told lies to cover up the truth. Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams. The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season. But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office. SmashMouth likes this.
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05-21-2025, 08:14 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,902 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by BakoSaint HIPAA applies to healthcare providers not to the Saints. Tons of teams provide tons of injury updates during the offseason. The Saints did not simply fail to provide injury updates on Carr during the offseason and the Saints have provided many in the past, instead the Saints provided affirmative statements indicating Carr's recovery was going well, declaring they expected him to be their starting QB for the 2025 season. The law doesn't require teams to be silent on players injury outlook in the offseason, and the problem wasn't that the Saints were silent, its that they actively told lies to cover up the truth. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams. The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season. But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office. HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement?

05-21-2025, 08:18 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by SmashMouth HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement? I'm sure the only visit Carr made to a gynecologist would have been related to his wife's pregnancy and miscarriage.

05-21-2025, 10:30 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,902 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by SmashMouth HIPAA, HIPAA, HIPAA ... Will we ever hear leaked Derek Carr's visits to his gynecologist? Would that be an undisclosed reason for his retirement? I am so sorry the joke went over everyone's head. I'll still leave it there in case someone figured it out .

05-21-2025, 01:21 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Wrong, Bako. HIPAA absolutely DOES apply to employers that maintain self-administered health plans such as NFL teams. The Saints hid nothing from the public that they were obliged to share. They did verify info once Carr went public himself. Besides, the injury that contributed to Carr's decision to retire, according to Carr himself, was not discovered until after he began training for the new season. It was not known until he began throwing well after the end of last season. But don't let accuracy stand in the way of your hatred of the Saints front office. If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints.
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05-21-2025, 02:06 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,666	Re: Derek Carr Retires Originally Posted by BakoSaint If HIPAA applies to teams, explain how teams get fined during the season for not disclosing injuries? Why cant they just claim the player preferred medical privacy? Do league rules supercede federal law? Whenever two coworkers chat about another coworker being out sick is that a federal crime? And how do we even know who leaked abiut Carr’s injury? Maybe it was the Saints. Have you ever gone to the doctor and signed the form that asks with whom you want information shared? It is a standard waiver. I'm sure every player contract includes similar verbiage allowing limited information being shared with the league. As said, there could be HIPAA considerations depending upon where the information is coming from and whether it is PHI (Personal Health Information). HIPAA applies to healthcare providers (one thing you got right) AND health insurance concerns which includes self-insured health plans. While the team itself isn't subject to HPAA fines, any entity within the team umbrella (like a self-insured plan) that handles said PHI would be subject to those rules and those possible fines.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill