Our draft sucked... but what's new?

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

And most of the players you are thinking of, gandhi, felt to either the third or fourth round. The entire NFL had the same problems with those players as we did

Are you trying to read my mind? What players am I thinking of that fell to the third or fourth round? The only player I mentioned was Ko Simpson, who would have been an early round pick next year had he stayed in college. According to Kiper, he would have been a possible 1st rounder next year.

LSUJeremy · 04-30-2006, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

hey lsu here some names roy williams, mike williams, kevin jones, and charles rogers and they frigan stink brother

Roy Williams is very good for the Lions, and Kevin Jones has played pretty well also.

A guy who would've made total sense as a combination of character, ability, productivity, and a Saints posistion of need is LSU DT Kyle Williams. Watch what he does for Buffalo.

spkb25 · 04-30-2006, 05:32 PM

i don't care ho pretty good they have been for the lions. they as a TEAM keep losing. four first rounders last three years and um they keep losing

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 05:33 PM

Kevin Jones & Roy Williams aren't bad ball players. Roy is a little inconsistent, but remember those receivers you named? Who was their QB?

Sorry,spkb. I couldn't help it. I think with Martz, that offense will do well.

wheelman · 04-30-2006, 05:35 PM

But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season.

spkb25 · 04-30-2006, 05:35 PM

i have said that all along ghandi but the point is they haven't done anything yet. so don't tell me just drafting the guys that look will be great makes your team great because it hasn't worked for them

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season.

Thank you wheelman for proving my point for me. If those guys lasted as long as they did, do you really think that Roman Harper was worth our only other 1st day pick?

spkb25 · 04-30-2006, 05:43 PM

i think harper is going to be a good player for us.

in the words of haz he is one heckuva a player. haha j/k

wheelman · 04-30-2006, 05:47 PM

I didn't make your point at all. If NFL front offices thought as highly of those players as you do, why did they last so long? You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it.

gandhi1007 · 04-30-2006, 05:55 PM

It's called NEEDS. And my point was that we reached on some picks. Especially the Roman Harper one. If that's the guy they really wanted, fine. But, trade down some more & pick up extra picks. He would have been there later. There was better talent in the second round that would have been more worthy of the pick. If you were scared of the more talented guys worthy of a second rounder, trade down.....that simple. Don't waste a pick on a guy that would have been a 3rd-4th rounder with a 2nd round pick.

04-30-2006, 05:28 PM	#121
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by wheelman And most of the players you are thinking of, gandhi, felt to either the third or fourth round. The entire NFL had the same problems with those players as we did Are you trying to read my mind? What players am I thinking of that fell to the third or fourth round? The only player I mentioned was Ko Simpson, who would have been an early round pick next year had he stayed in college. According to Kiper, he would have been a possible 1st rounder next year.

04-30-2006, 05:30 PM	#122
LSUJeremy 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 472	Originally Posted by spkb25 hey lsu here some names roy williams, mike williams, kevin jones, and charles rogers and they frigan stink brother Roy Williams is very good for the Lions, and Kevin Jones has played pretty well also. A guy who would've made total sense as a combination of character, ability, productivity, and a Saints posistion of need is LSU DT Kyle Williams. Watch what he does for Buffalo.
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04-30-2006, 05:35 PM	#125
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season.
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04-30-2006, 05:41 PM	#127
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by wheelman But he didn't stay in school, and fell to the fourth round because of it. Abdul Hodge fell to the third, as did Youboty, and Gilles. Justice was selected before the 43rd pick. Rattle off a player's name, and all but maybe 3 of them were either selected before the 43rd pick, or fell to the third round or later. We were not the only team in the NFL that saw question marks in the players that we have been talking about all off-season. Thank you wheelman for proving my point for me. If those guys lasted as long as they did, do you really think that Roman Harper was worth our only other 1st day pick?

04-30-2006, 05:47 PM	#129
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	I didn't make your point at all. If NFL front offices thought as highly of those players as you do, why did they last so long? You keep saying that we could have picked them, but you can say the same thing about every other team that had a second round pick. Those players lasted so long for a reason, and every team in the league saw it.
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04-30-2006, 05:32 PM	#123
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	i don't care ho pretty good they have been for the lions. they as a TEAM keep losing. four first rounders last three years and um they keep losing

04-30-2006, 05:33 PM	#124
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Kevin Jones & Roy Williams aren't bad ball players. Roy is a little inconsistent, but remember those receivers you named? Who was their QB? Sorry,spkb. I couldn't help it. I think with Martz, that offense will do well.

04-30-2006, 05:35 PM	#126
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	i have said that all along ghandi but the point is they haven't done anything yet. so don't tell me just drafting the guys that look will be great makes your team great because it hasn't worked for them

04-30-2006, 05:43 PM	#128
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	i think harper is going to be a good player for us. in the words of haz he is one heckuva a player. haha j/k

04-30-2006, 05:55 PM	#130
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	It's called NEEDS. And my point was that we reached on some picks. Especially the Roman Harper one. If that's the guy they really wanted, fine. But, trade down some more & pick up extra picks. He would have been there later. There was better talent in the second round that would have been more worthy of the pick. If you were scared of the more talented guys worthy of a second rounder, trade down.....that simple. Don't waste a pick on a guy that would have been a 3rd-4th rounder with a 2nd round pick.