Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now?

cadilacin · 11-06-2007, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

First of all, let's stop this crap about a no named QB, the Jaguars game plan is never, ever, about the QB. Please, refresh my memory here, who is David Garrard? I mean, I know he is their starter but, he was as much of a nobody as Grey before he got his chance. How many Pro Bowls have Garrard played in? I just don't think Garrard would've made any kind of difference in the game, not the way the Saints were playing. I mean the Jags had enough confidence in Grey as a backup to let Leftwich go without blinking, bottom line the Saints shut down one of the best rushing offenses in the NFL and it had nothing to do with their QB. And PLEASE, stop saying that they were way behind and abandoned the run, it was still a game when Jones-Drew ran that kickoff back, they had the momentum and still couldn't generate a rushing game. 4 - 4, and yet they're still not playing good ball? Well, if they can run off another 8 wins playing the way they are, I'll be right right there with my Black and Gold umbrella doing the Benson Boogie in the middle of Canal st. WHO DAT!!!!!!!

Blacksaint...it's all good dawg...we 4-4 after that horrible start. The Defense is ballin!!

The people posting all this negative foolishness is just trying to justify the negative foolishness they were posting when we were 0-4.

Yeah...at first we were playing bad....but guess what...NOW WE ARE NOT!!!

I'm am really enjoying the way we are handling that early season adversity. This shows me that we have LEADERS on this team.

We've won 4 straight!!!!

Enjoy this...I am!

And for all you nay sayers....don't hate....just go post on the carolina panthers site or something....cause us BLACKANDGOLD lovers is Loving this WINNING STREAK!

WHO DAT!!!!

LongTimeFan · 11-05-2007, 08:02 PM

I love this thread for the most part, good points made.
I love watching our defense play almost as much as our offense, they will continue to improve IMO.

If I'm correct the Saints defense hasn't allowed any team in the last 7 weeks to run over 100 yards, am I correct on this?

blacksaint · 11-05-2007, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

I love this thread for the most part, good points made.
I love watching our defense play almost as much as our offense, they will continue to improve IMO.

If I'm correct the Saints defense has allowed any team in the last 7 weeks to run over 100 yards, am I correct on this?

You are correct sir. They held the last 7 opponents to under 100 yards: 1) Tampa Bay 87, 2) Tennessee 98, 3) Carolina 88, 4) Seattle 92, 5) Atlanta 75, 6) San Francisco 83, 7) Jacksonville 88.

iceshack149 · 11-06-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by blacksaint

You are correct sir. They held the last 7 opponents to under 100 yards: 1) Tampa Bay 87, 2) Tennessee 98, 3) Carolina 88, 4) Seattle 92, 5) Atlanta 75, 6) San Francisco 83, 7) Jacksonville 88.

These are great stats! Carnell Williams, Young-White-Brown, Foster-Williams, Alexander, Dunn-Norwood, Gore, and the biggest task: Taylor and Jones-Drew.

That's a good run defense.

SapperSaint · 11-06-2007, 07:51 AM

I still worry about our CB's. Other than that, I feel the same as LTF.

Euphoria · 11-06-2007, 11:31 AM

I think teams realize to beat us they will have to score points on us. So the easy way to do that is attack out pass defense early (like at the start of the game). You put the pressure on our offense and take us out of the run game so we'd have to score a lot to keep up. What has changed since Deuce has been out is that we have had to come out and open up the offense from the get go. So matching the intensity from the start of the game is helping out bigtime. Holding the opponets rushing game to 100 yards is a bit misleading because they are more of a passing attack deployed against us. IF the teams come out running against us the stats would be very different.

I just don't think they are either planning to there potentcial or maybe they aren't as good as a lot of people like to think. They haven't been able to rush the passer and they give up to many big plays. Go by the dollar amout these goobers are making and ask yourself are we getting enough bang for our bucks??? I don't think so.

WhoDat205 · 11-06-2007, 11:49 AM

You've been talking about the big money these guys are getting. Whose getting paid relatively big bucks outside of Grant? Also, what did you see Grant not doing this year that he has done in previous years?

WhoDat205 · 11-06-2007, 12:00 PM

Rank_______Att.s_ Yds
1 Tennessee 153 528
2 Minnesota 199 563
3 Baltimore 212 593
4 Pittsburgh 157 608
5 Dallas 186 675
6 Philadelphia 204 743
7 Green Bay 202 750
8 Washington 200 760
9 New Orleans 212 775
10 NY Giants 193 808

This is the top ten rush Ds in terms of yards. Us and B'more have been run at the most with 212 attempts. I thought that was interesting.

I won't argue that teams will want to exploit the pass against the saints, but at least part of that is the rush D.

Euphoria · 11-06-2007, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

You've been talking about the big money these guys are getting. Whose getting paid relatively big bucks outside of Grant? Also, what did you see Grant not doing this year that he has done in previous years?

Smith is bringing in 500,000 call that what you want... but he's suppose to be slatted for a big raise but based on what??? I haven't seen Grant do anything more or less the past few years. I just don't see him living up to the over 2 million he's getting this year.

But I am not trying to call out players on the D line. I think they are playing to there potencial, meaning maybe we need to upgrade there and look the one making the bank and see if he isn't living up to 2 million a year worth of Defense.

Budsdrinker · 11-06-2007, 11:58 AM

Well the only stat I'm really interested in is W's but for argument sake none of these 7 teams abandon the run against the Saints. Here they are in order beginning with Tampa.
Attempts Yards
32-87, 34-98, 28-88, 21-92, 24-75, 21-83 and 23-88. It would be one thing if they only attempted to run 10 times but this is a min. of 21 attempts. No matter how you slice it that's good Defense. Other than Brady, Manning and Thank God we have Bree's there isn't many QB's that can beat you when 1 dimentional.

11-06-2007, 05:07 PM	#1
cadilacin "Real Talk" Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 148	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? Originally Posted by blacksaint First of all, let's stop this crap about a no named QB, the Jaguars game plan is never, ever, about the QB. Please, refresh my memory here, who is David Garrard? I mean, I know he is their starter but, he was as much of a nobody as Grey before he got his chance. How many Pro Bowls have Garrard played in? I just don't think Garrard would've made any kind of difference in the game, not the way the Saints were playing. I mean the Jags had enough confidence in Grey as a backup to let Leftwich go without blinking, bottom line the Saints shut down one of the best rushing offenses in the NFL and it had nothing to do with their QB. And PLEASE, stop saying that they were way behind and abandoned the run, it was still a game when Jones-Drew ran that kickoff back, they had the momentum and still couldn't generate a rushing game. 4 - 4, and yet they're still not playing good ball? Well, if they can run off another 8 wins playing the way they are, I'll be right right there with my Black and Gold umbrella doing the Benson Boogie in the middle of Canal st. WHO DAT!!!!!!! Blacksaint...it's all good dawg...we 4-4 after that horrible start. The Defense is ballin!! The people posting all this negative foolishness is just trying to justify the negative foolishness they were posting when we were 0-4. Yeah...at first we were playing bad....but guess what...NOW WE ARE NOT!!! I'm am really enjoying the way we are handling that early season adversity. This shows me that we have LEADERS on this team. We've won 4 straight!!!! Enjoy this...I am! And for all you nay sayers....don't hate....just go post on the carolina panthers site or something....cause us BLACKANDGOLD lovers is Loving this WINNING STREAK! WHO DAT!!!!
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11-05-2007, 08:02 PM	#2
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? I love this thread for the most part, good points made. I love watching our defense play almost as much as our offense, they will continue to improve IMO. If I'm correct the Saints defense hasn't allowed any team in the last 7 weeks to run over 100 yards, am I correct on this?
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11-05-2007, 09:07 PM	#3
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? Originally Posted by LongTimeFan I love this thread for the most part, good points made. I love watching our defense play almost as much as our offense, they will continue to improve IMO. If I'm correct the Saints defense has allowed any team in the last 7 weeks to run over 100 yards, am I correct on this? You are correct sir. They held the last 7 opponents to under 100 yards: 1) Tampa Bay 87, 2) Tennessee 98, 3) Carolina 88, 4) Seattle 92, 5) Atlanta 75, 6) San Francisco 83, 7) Jacksonville 88.

11-06-2007, 03:52 PM	#4
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? Originally Posted by blacksaint You are correct sir. They held the last 7 opponents to under 100 yards: 1) Tampa Bay 87, 2) Tennessee 98, 3) Carolina 88, 4) Seattle 92, 5) Atlanta 75, 6) San Francisco 83, 7) Jacksonville 88. These are great stats! Carnell Williams, Young-White-Brown, Foster-Williams, Alexander, Dunn-Norwood, Gore, and the biggest task: Taylor and Jones-Drew. That's a good run defense.

11-06-2007, 07:51 AM	#5
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? I still worry about our CB's. Other than that, I feel the same as LTF.

11-06-2007, 11:31 AM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? I think teams realize to beat us they will have to score points on us. So the easy way to do that is attack out pass defense early (like at the start of the game). You put the pressure on our offense and take us out of the run game so we'd have to score a lot to keep up. What has changed since Deuce has been out is that we have had to come out and open up the offense from the get go. So matching the intensity from the start of the game is helping out bigtime. Holding the opponets rushing game to 100 yards is a bit misleading because they are more of a passing attack deployed against us. IF the teams come out running against us the stats would be very different. I just don't think they are either planning to there potentcial or maybe they aren't as good as a lot of people like to think. They haven't been able to rush the passer and they give up to many big plays. Go by the dollar amout these goobers are making and ask yourself are we getting enough bang for our bucks??? I don't think so.
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11-06-2007, 11:49 AM	#7
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? You've been talking about the big money these guys are getting. Whose getting paid relatively big bucks outside of Grant? Also, what did you see Grant not doing this year that he has done in previous years?

11-06-2007, 12:00 PM	#8
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? Rank_______Att.s_ Yds 1 Tennessee 153 528 2 Minnesota 199 563 3 Baltimore 212 593 4 Pittsburgh 157 608 5 Dallas 186 675 6 Philadelphia 204 743 7 Green Bay 202 750 8 Washington 200 760 9 New Orleans 212 775 10 NY Giants 193 808 This is the top ten rush Ds in terms of yards. Us and B'more have been run at the most with 212 attempts. I thought that was interesting. I won't argue that teams will want to exploit the pass against the saints, but at least part of that is the rush D.
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11-06-2007, 12:07 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? Originally Posted by WhoDat205 You've been talking about the big money these guys are getting. Whose getting paid relatively big bucks outside of Grant? Also, what did you see Grant not doing this year that he has done in previous years? Smith is bringing in 500,000 call that what you want... but he's suppose to be slatted for a big raise but based on what??? I haven't seen Grant do anything more or less the past few years. I just don't see him living up to the over 2 million he's getting this year. But I am not trying to call out players on the D line. I think they are playing to there potencial, meaning maybe we need to upgrade there and look the one making the bank and see if he isn't living up to 2 million a year worth of Defense.
	E U P H O R I A

11-06-2007, 11:58 AM	#10
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Who Thinks Our D-Line Suck Now? Well the only stat I'm really interested in is W's but for argument sake none of these 7 teams abandon the run against the Saints. Here they are in order beginning with Tampa. Attempts Yards 32-87, 34-98, 28-88, 21-92, 24-75, 21-83 and 23-88. It would be one thing if they only attempted to run 10 times but this is a min. of 21 attempts. No matter how you slice it that's good Defense. Other than Brady, Manning and Thank God we have Bree's there isn't many QB's that can beat you when 1 dimentional.