Has disappointment set in?

beauchristopher · 04-26-2008, 08:33 PM

i posted this in another threat but i prefer him over flowers for our system. flowers is physical but could cost us the deep ball because he tends to stare down the backfield(another JD).. and he is not as consistent. He's very aggressive and can beaten by double-moves. (Jason David 101)

Porter has 1 inch on flowers in height. Has much better speed. Is much more of a playmaker on the ball with larger hands.. He possesses elite change of direction which is perfect for what we need. His main knock is bulk/strength.. mainly against the run but we have a great run D.. especially with all the linebackers we added.

Porter= "One of the nation's top playmaking defensive backs, Tracy Porter became the first player in school history to return a punt, interception and fumble for touchdowns in his career."

WVSaint · 04-26-2008, 08:05 PM

Im not gonna argue that Flowers wouldve been better, cuz i agree with you. but like D it up said, we wouldve had to give up more picks. we cant keep giving up pick after pick and expect our D to improve. sometimes i think people expect too much from out FO. we desperately need to get younger at both DT and CB and we took steps to do that today without giving up very much at all.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 08:08 PM

when will porter play?....i dont see him getting playing time except on special teams...if hes not gonna play....its a wasted pick...while he has potential....he has more question marks and than he does upsides

winmill1 · 04-26-2008, 08:08 PM

he was the best available cb on the board that fit our system. we don't have many more picks to trade up. I think we did great for what we had.

beauchristopher · 04-26-2008, 08:26 PM

i prefer him over flowers for our system. flowers is physical but could cost us the deep ball because he tends to stare down the backfield(another JD).. and he is not as consistent. He's very aggressive and can beaten by double-moves. (Jason David 101)

Porter has 1 inch on flowers in height. Has much better speed. Is much more of a playmaker on the ball with larger hands.. He possesses elite change of direction which is perfect for what we need. His main knock is bulk/strength.. mainly against the run but we have a great run D.. especially with all the linebackers we added.

Porter= "One of the nation's top playmaking defensive backs, Tracy Porter became the first player in school history to return a punt, interception and fumble for touchdowns in his career."

spkb25 · 04-26-2008, 08:09 PM

I like the pick, I like the draft, and I like our off-season. I think we are better and I think our secondary continues to improve over all. Harper, Gay, Porter, Young. We are younger and I am hoping and thinking improved
BTW you are wrong that we needed a corner more then a DT. You win and lose in the trenches. If you do not control the line of scrimmage I don't care who your corner is.

D_it_up · 04-26-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

You win and lose in the trenches. If you do not control the line of scrimmage I don't care who your corner is.

Well said. Very well said.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 08:13 PM

its easy to say im wrong but its based on facts....the fact is...there are no colstons in this draft....the fact is....porter is speedy but will not play on D....the fact is ellis is great yes....but the fact is....we sacrificed our secondary yet again....our secondary has improved this offseason no doubt....but thats like being the tallest midget....its not going to secure ne thing for us....sure nobody will run against us...but guess what...they didnt have to last year cuz we were getting beat over our heads....its not going to change

lsutigerfan · 04-26-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

its easy to say im wrong but its based on facts....the fact is...there are no colstons in this draft....the fact is....porter is speedy but will not play on D....the fact is ellis is great yes....but the fact is....we sacrificed our secondary yet again....our secondary has improved this offseason no doubt....but thats like being the tallest midget....its not going to secure ne thing for us....sure nobody will run against us...but guess what...they didnt have to last year cuz we were getting beat over our heads....its not going to change

Guess what when a QB has all day to throw the ball any defense with get shreded in the air but because of Ellis, Vilma and Mccay were not gonna have that problem this year.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan

Guess what when a QB has all day to throw the ball any defense with get shreded in the air but because of Ellis, Vilma and Mccay were not gonna have athat problem this year.

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04-26-2008, 08:33 PM	#1
beauchristopher 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: Has disappointment set in? i posted this in another threat but i prefer him over flowers for our system. flowers is physical but could cost us the deep ball because he tends to stare down the backfield(another JD).. and he is not as consistent. He's very aggressive and can beaten by double-moves. (Jason David 101) Porter has 1 inch on flowers in height. Has much better speed. Is much more of a playmaker on the ball with larger hands.. He possesses elite change of direction which is perfect for what we need. His main knock is bulk/strength.. mainly against the run but we have a great run D.. especially with all the linebackers we added. Porter= "One of the nation's top playmaking defensive backs, Tracy Porter became the first player in school history to return a punt, interception and fumble for touchdowns in his career."

04-26-2008, 08:05 PM	#2
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Has disappointment set in? Im not gonna argue that Flowers wouldve been better, cuz i agree with you. but like D it up said, we wouldve had to give up more picks. we cant keep giving up pick after pick and expect our D to improve. sometimes i think people expect too much from out FO. we desperately need to get younger at both DT and CB and we took steps to do that today without giving up very much at all.

04-26-2008, 08:08 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? when will porter play?....i dont see him getting playing time except on special teams...if hes not gonna play....its a wasted pick...while he has potential....he has more question marks and than he does upsides

04-26-2008, 08:08 PM	#4
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: Has disappointment set in? he was the best available cb on the board that fit our system. we don't have many more picks to trade up. I think we did great for what we had.
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04-26-2008, 08:26 PM	#5
beauchristopher 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: Has disappointment set in? i prefer him over flowers for our system. flowers is physical but could cost us the deep ball because he tends to stare down the backfield(another JD).. and he is not as consistent. He's very aggressive and can beaten by double-moves. (Jason David 101) Porter has 1 inch on flowers in height. Has much better speed. Is much more of a playmaker on the ball with larger hands.. He possesses elite change of direction which is perfect for what we need. His main knock is bulk/strength.. mainly against the run but we have a great run D.. especially with all the linebackers we added. Porter= "One of the nation's top playmaking defensive backs, Tracy Porter became the first player in school history to return a punt, interception and fumble for touchdowns in his career."

04-26-2008, 08:09 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Has disappointment set in? I like the pick, I like the draft, and I like our off-season. I think we are better and I think our secondary continues to improve over all. Harper, Gay, Porter, Young. We are younger and I am hoping and thinking improved BTW you are wrong that we needed a corner more then a DT. You win and lose in the trenches. If you do not control the line of scrimmage I don't care who your corner is.

04-26-2008, 08:13 PM	#7
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by spkb25 You win and lose in the trenches. If you do not control the line of scrimmage I don't care who your corner is. Well said. Very well said.

04-26-2008, 08:13 PM	#8
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? its easy to say im wrong but its based on facts....the fact is...there are no colstons in this draft....the fact is....porter is speedy but will not play on D....the fact is ellis is great yes....but the fact is....we sacrificed our secondary yet again....our secondary has improved this offseason no doubt....but thats like being the tallest midget....its not going to secure ne thing for us....sure nobody will run against us...but guess what...they didnt have to last year cuz we were getting beat over our heads....its not going to change
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

04-26-2008, 08:19 PM	#9
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by CantonLegend its easy to say im wrong but its based on facts....the fact is...there are no colstons in this draft....the fact is....porter is speedy but will not play on D....the fact is ellis is great yes....but the fact is....we sacrificed our secondary yet again....our secondary has improved this offseason no doubt....but thats like being the tallest midget....its not going to secure ne thing for us....sure nobody will run against us...but guess what...they didnt have to last year cuz we were getting beat over our heads....its not going to change Guess what when a QB has all day to throw the ball any defense with get shreded in the air but because of Ellis, Vilma and Mccay were not gonna have that problem this year.

04-26-2008, 08:30 PM	#10
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by lsutigerfan Guess what when a QB has all day to throw the ball any defense with get shreded in the air but because of Ellis, Vilma and Mccay were not gonna have athat problem this year. \ a