Jeremy Shockey

ssmitty · 05-12-2008, 08:11 PM

10 reasons we need shockey..........

1) someone needs to get in brees face when he falls flat against better teams. it worked for manning...............
2)god knows, we need a blocker.............
3) payton needs his man crush satisfied........i compare this to, haslett-brooks.................but, in a positive way................
4) yes, someone will get hurt and someone needs to step up.........see reason # 1............
5) we need a few more guys with the, i want the ball attitude...........
you can never have enough of em.........
6) we actually do need a good t.e......................
7) i miss turley.........tell me you don't..................
8) it's getting harder to come up with answers, can't you tell?
9) i'm almost done.................
10) so we can lay this topic to rest and start a whole new shockey is a saint forum....................smitty

phatoosdey · 05-12-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Heck if it is an additional 4th lets pull a meach with vilma for a year and sit him. Let the guy heal.

hagan i believe we only signed vilma for one year...after this year he is free agent again and could go right back to jets and we would have payed 4th round pick for nothing

ugh! i just realized i contibuted to the neverending shockey post

pakowitz · 05-12-2008, 09:04 PM

Though both Giants and Saints officials appear hesitant to close the door on a Jeremy Shockey trade, we hear there is nothing brewing or imminent. Saints head coach Sean Payton would like to add a weapon at tight end, but we hear that the Giants’ asking price might have gone up since no deal could be culminated before or during the draft, when the Saints were rumored to have offered a second-round pick.

from PFW

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hagan714 · 05-13-2008, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by phatoosdey

hagan i believe we only signed vilma for one year...after this year he is free agent again and could go right back to jets and we would have payed 4th round pick for nothing

ugh! i just realized i contibuted to the neverending shockey post

I see us signing Vilma no matter what. This additional 4th is new to me. I was kidding. I want pro bowl and loss the 2nd pick. 6 year deal min

B_Dub_Saint · 05-13-2008, 07:02 AM

Geeze this is a long *** thread. Guys we can all agree that as a football player, on the field he would improve the team but there is no way we are getting him so lets move on.

pakowitz · 05-15-2008, 12:29 AM

Gilbride tells Shockey he wants him, but status remains unclear

Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride became the latest Giants official to reiterate that Jeremy Shockey remains the team's starting tight end — as things stand now. No one has guaranteed that Shockey will remain with the team when the games start this fall, but Gilbride went as far as calling Shockey to tell him he wants his tight end this season. “It is so nebulous right now,” Gilbride said Saturday. “You just have no idea what is going to happen. Right now he is on our team, and we are planning on him being there. He will be one of the guys that we look to feature and one of the guys that we will look to depend on, and hopefully he will be here in good spirits and ready to do the things that we know he is capable of doing. But who knows? It is certainly beyond my hands.”

The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly

pakowitz · 05-15-2008, 12:31 AM

Though both Giants and Saints officials appear hesitant to close the door on a Jeremy Shockey trade, we hear there is nothing brewing or imminent. Saints head coach Sean Payton would like to add a weapon at tight end, but we hear that the Giants’ asking price might have gone up since no deal could be culminated before or during the draft, when the Saints were rumored to have offered a second-round pick.

Memnoch_TP · 05-15-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by SFIAH

BTW I think it's disingenuous for you to intimate that I want to dismantle the offense to build the defense. I certainly would have had a problem if the Saints wanted to get rid of Brees, Bush, Brown, Colston, or any of the offensive talent to improve the defense. So far the FO has done a brilliant job of rebuilding the defense through judicious trades of draft picks, free agency, and the draft.

I disagree. It was less disingenuous and more sarcastic.

Originally Posted by JKool

Every defense has to cover the TE, no matter who the TE is.

Yeah, but every defense does not have to cover different TEs the same way.

Hell, I would stay way off of Eric Johnson. Better chance of the ball deflecting into a defender's hands than there is of him catching it. Yeah, I know, I know, he isn't really that bad, but he has to suck up the abuse until he makes up for it.

Gates and Gonzales are the top receivers on their teams, the main targets.

They are not defended the way Crumpler or Witten were, because they were usually more short range targets that can bust out a long one.

And they in turn are not defended the way Johnson and Miller were, because they are not the threats that the aforementioned TE's are.

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Geeze this is a long *** thread. Guys we can all agree that as a football player, on the field he would improve the team but there is no way we are getting him so lets move on.

Nope. Not a chance.

AmishManjina · 05-15-2008, 06:40 PM

Saints no longer in pursuit of TE Shockey

Saints GM Mickey Loomis said Thursday that the team is no longer in pursuit of Jeremy Shockey.

"We had some discussions with (New York) and we just couldn’t come to a conclusion on the right compensation," Loomis said. "He's a very good player and the Giants don't want to just give him away. I don't anticipate that being rekindled." Shockey would've been a better fantasy bet in New Orleans, where he would've done less blocking, but the Jints are smart to hold on. May. 15 - 6:08 pm et
Source: Bergen Record

saintsfan1976 · 05-15-2008, 08:13 PM

After the scope on EJ's knee has supposedly "set him back", the Giants may just hold all the cards when it comes to Shockey.

On the other hand, let's see what takes shape during the Giants camp.

05-12-2008, 08:11 PM	#151
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Re: Jeremy Shockey 10 reasons we need shockey.......... 1) someone needs to get in brees face when he falls flat against better teams. it worked for manning............... 2)god knows, we need a blocker............. 3) payton needs his man crush satisfied........i compare this to, haslett-brooks.................but, in a positive way................ 4) yes, someone will get hurt and someone needs to step up.........see reason # 1............ 5) we need a few more guys with the, i want the ball attitude........... you can never have enough of em......... 6) we actually do need a good t.e...................... 7) i miss turley.........tell me you don't.................. 8) it's getting harder to come up with answers, can't you tell? 9) i'm almost done................. 10) so we can lay this topic to rest and start a whole new shockey is a saint forum....................smitty
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05-12-2008, 08:17 PM	#152
phatoosdey Drunkagen Join Date: May 2007 Location: kenner Posts: 356	Re: Jeremy Shockey Originally Posted by hagan714 Heck if it is an additional 4th lets pull a meach with vilma for a year and sit him. Let the guy heal. hagan i believe we only signed vilma for one year...after this year he is free agent again and could go right back to jets and we would have payed 4th round pick for nothing ugh! i just realized i contibuted to the neverending shockey post
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05-12-2008, 09:04 PM	#153
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Jeremy Shockey Though both Giants and Saints officials appear hesitant to close the door on a Jeremy Shockey trade, we hear there is nothing brewing or imminent. Saints head coach Sean Payton would like to add a weapon at tight end, but we hear that the Giants’ asking price might have gone up since no deal could be culminated before or during the draft, when the Saints were rumored to have offered a second-round pick. from PFW The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly

05-13-2008, 05:50 AM	#154
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Jeremy Shockey Originally Posted by phatoosdey hagan i believe we only signed vilma for one year...after this year he is free agent again and could go right back to jets and we would have payed 4th round pick for nothing ugh! i just realized i contibuted to the neverending shockey post I see us signing Vilma no matter what. This additional 4th is new to me. I was kidding. I want pro bowl and loss the 2nd pick. 6 year deal min

05-13-2008, 07:02 AM	#155
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jeremy Shockey Geeze this is a long *** thread. Guys we can all agree that as a football player, on the field he would improve the team but there is no way we are getting him so lets move on.
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05-15-2008, 12:29 AM	#156
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Jeremy Shockey Gilbride tells Shockey he wants him, but status remains unclear Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride became the latest Giants official to reiterate that Jeremy Shockey remains the team's starting tight end — as things stand now. No one has guaranteed that Shockey will remain with the team when the games start this fall, but Gilbride went as far as calling Shockey to tell him he wants his tight end this season. “It is so nebulous right now,” Gilbride said Saturday. “You just have no idea what is going to happen. Right now he is on our team, and we are planning on him being there. He will be one of the guys that we look to feature and one of the guys that we will look to depend on, and hopefully he will be here in good spirits and ready to do the things that we know he is capable of doing. But who knows? It is certainly beyond my hands.” The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly
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05-15-2008, 12:31 AM	#157
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Jeremy Shockey Though both Giants and Saints officials appear hesitant to close the door on a Jeremy Shockey trade, we hear there is nothing brewing or imminent. Saints head coach Sean Payton would like to add a weapon at tight end, but we hear that the Giants’ asking price might have gone up since no deal could be culminated before or during the draft, when the Saints were rumored to have offered a second-round pick.

05-15-2008, 12:50 AM	#158
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by SFIAH BTW I think it's disingenuous for you to intimate that I want to dismantle the offense to build the defense. I certainly would have had a problem if the Saints wanted to get rid of Brees, Bush, Brown, Colston, or any of the offensive talent to improve the defense. So far the FO has done a brilliant job of rebuilding the defense through judicious trades of draft picks, free agency, and the draft. I disagree. It was less disingenuous and more sarcastic. Originally Posted by JKool Every defense has to cover the TE, no matter who the TE is. Yeah, but every defense does not have to cover different TEs the same way. Hell, I would stay way off of Eric Johnson. Better chance of the ball deflecting into a defender's hands than there is of him catching it. Yeah, I know, I know, he isn't really that bad, but he has to suck up the abuse until he makes up for it. Gates and Gonzales are the top receivers on their teams, the main targets. They are not defended the way Crumpler or Witten were, because they were usually more short range targets that can bust out a long one. And they in turn are not defended the way Johnson and Miller were, because they are not the threats that the aforementioned TE's are. Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Geeze this is a long *** thread. Guys we can all agree that as a football player, on the field he would improve the team but there is no way we are getting him so lets move on. Nope. Not a chance.
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05-15-2008, 06:40 PM	#159
AmishManjina AmishManjina Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lafayette Posts: 46	Re: Jeremy Shockey Saints no longer in pursuit of TE Shockey Saints GM Mickey Loomis said Thursday that the team is no longer in pursuit of Jeremy Shockey. "We had some discussions with (New York) and we just couldn’t come to a conclusion on the right compensation," Loomis said. "He's a very good player and the Giants don't want to just give him away. I don't anticipate that being rekindled." Shockey would've been a better fantasy bet in New Orleans, where he would've done less blocking, but the Jints are smart to hold on. May. 15 - 6:08 pm et Source: Bergen Record

05-15-2008, 08:13 PM	#160
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,849 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jeremy Shockey After the scope on EJ's knee has supposedly "set him back", the Giants may just hold all the cards when it comes to Shockey. On the other hand, let's see what takes shape during the Giants camp.