hagan714

Pak the vilma deal works like this.
2008 we gave a 4th
2009 we give a 2nd or 3rd depending on playing time and contract signing.

2009A: Vilma is in pro bowl form and sign a long term deal. we are dancing the stands. 100+ tackle LB is in B&G again.
It is a 2nd we give and we get the NYJ's 4th rounder in return. Vilma costs a 2nd straight up.
OR
2009 B: We are still not sure if he can return to pro bowl form or he wants out of NO. We are still sitting and wondering what the heck happened and the beer tastes salty from our tears. Waite till next year.
It is a third we give and we get nothing. Vilma costs a 3rd and a 4th.

Now looking at that deal how in the world do you expect me to swallow this crap about the shockey deal? A 2nd straight up? Injury history alone and poor locker room presence? Come on.

Tell you what if it is a second I will have to leave my usual passive stance about players and really demand something from him. I will lead the lynch mob to airline hwy and start there. I will also put some crow in the freezer just incase.

"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

JKool

Ok, a 1st rounder plus as much as a second.

Do we just feel like never drafting a player again?

I'm off the Shockey boat at that price. Find someone else to catch those passes. I'm sure there is a passable tight end somewhere, like on our roster!

QBREES9

will this talk ever end.

Tobias-Reiper

... I said it before and I'll say it again: if the Saints want Shockey, they should wait for camp to start. If Shockey wants to leave NY, he needs only to start screaming at Eli during practice, and when Eli drops to the floor in the fetal position sucking his thumb, THEN you offer that 5th rounder next year because you feel benevolent that day.

saintsfan1976

...so you're saying we've got a shot!! LOL.

jeanpierre

DOES SHOCKEY WANT TO STAY IN NEW YORK?
Posted by Mike Florio on May 11, 2008, 3:03 p.m.
Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride has spoken with tight end Jeremy Shockey about his status with the team. And while Gilbride has shared some of the details regarding the discussion, Gilbride wouldn’t answer the $64,000 question.

Does Shockey want to stay in New York?

As to the prospect of a return by the 2002 first-round draft pick, Gilbride said, “It’s so nebulous right now, you just have no idea. Right now he’s on our team. We’re planning on him being there. He’ll be one of the guys that we’ll look to feature and one of the guys that we’ll look to depend on. Hopefully he’ll be here in good spirits and ready to do the things that we know he’s capable of doing. But who knows? It’s certainly beyond my hands.”

Shockey is believed to want both a trade and a new contract. There have been rumors and reports that he’s unhappy with the fact that the team ripped through the playoffs and won the Super Bowl without him, and that he’s bothered by talk that the team is better without him.

The Saints pursued him before the draft, and presumably still want him.

Whether a trade happens likely depends on Shockey’s disposition and demeanor when he reports for a mandatory minicamp on June 11.

If he reports for it. Though Shockey hasn’t hinted at a holdout, it wouldn’t surprise us if it happens.

ProFootballTalk.com - DOES SHOCKEY WANT TO STAY IN NEW YORK?

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LivnaLieTimay

As I said way earlier in this thread I don't want Shockey on the Saints. I think his attitude and character outweigh his talent. I've also seen way too many Giants games where he has cost the team with big drops in the red zone and dumb penalties.

I see a lot of the pro-Shockey people comparing him to Randy Moss. First, Moss and Shockey aren't in the same league in terms of production. Moss is one of the most dynamic game-breakers the NFL has ever seen. He's much more dangerous and talented than Shockey and the Pats got him for a 4th round pick! The Giants were looking for a 2nd and Harper and now are supposedly looking for a 1st and another pick ranging from 2nd-4th round. Are you kidding me?

With what the Giants are looking for, we could easily land Jason Taylor who is looking to get out of Miami. Taylor is a high character guy who would really help our defense. Just imagine Taylor and Smith rushing on the outside with Ellis and Grant playing at DT. This would essentially give us the defense the Giants had last year that won the Super Bowl. Smith and Taylor would be very similar to Osi and Strahan. Grant would do exactly what Justin Tuck did when he went from DE to DT. And Ellis has a lot more upside than any player the Giants threw in there next to Tuck. The Giants LB's and secondary weren't very good but never had to cover for long because of the pass rush.

Making a trade for Taylor would make sense because that puts us in a real good position to contend. Now, I'm not saying we should definitely do this trade. I'm very happy with keeping our picks and building a team. But if we are going to trade some picks, I want a stud defensive player who is going to put our team over the top, not a TE that comes with a lot of baggage.

When I compare Jason Taylor to Jeremy Shockey, it's very easy for me to choose who I would rather have on my team.

Euphoria

The last I checked he is still on the Giants Roster.

pakowitz

see i think ur wrong.. i think we gave up the 4th this year, and a 4th next year that could be up to a 2nd depending on PT an resigning.. if we have to give up the 2nd then we get their 4th in return..

hagan714

Heck if it is an additional 4th lets pull a meach with vilma for a year and sit him. Let the guy heal.