Offensive Playcall Concerns

CantonLegend · 10-05-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by fhotard

It was a recipe for success in my opinion.

a recipe for success is taking the points

our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back?

always always take the points

FireVenturi · 10-05-2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

a recipe for success is taking the points

our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back?

always always take the points

If we kick it, we get three instead of seven.
when we turned it over on downs, Sanchez fumbled in the end zone and we got seven. If I'm coaching, there isn't many situations I dont go for it from the 1 yd line.

CantonLegend · 10-05-2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by FireVenturi

If I'm coaching

im not going to say it......but you know i could

in hindsight its alright.....in the middle of the game its never the best thing to do

FireVenturi · 10-05-2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

im not going to say it......but you know i could

in hindsight its alright.....in the middle of the game its never the best thing to do

It works on Madden, lol....

CantonLegend · 10-05-2009, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by FireVenturi

It works on Madden, lol....

lol you're gonna have to teach me those tricks then cuz im terrible at madden

Frederick Smith · 10-05-2009, 11:31 AM

Goal line call was not really that bad. As it turned out kept them pinned near the goal line and resulted in 7 points anyway. May have been some luck there. Against more powerful offenses I would lean toward taking the points though. Can't argue with the play calling. The Saints are finally being smart and taking what the oposition is giving them instead of forcing the ball like we did last year. Thw "W" is what matters most no matter how it is achieved. Just WIN baby!

fhotard · 10-05-2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

a recipe for success is taking the points

our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back?

always always take the points

In many (most?) cases, I'd agree... take the points. But the Saints' D had been playing well so far. And with the Jets having a pretty good record at 3-0, I was all for trying to stretch the lead as much as possible.

There are times to kick, and there are times to go for it. In my opinion, that was a "Go for it" moment... a situation where an aggressive attitude and an aggressive call was appropriate.

You also have to consider where you're giving the ball back. By not making the TD, N.O. gave it back at the goal line... given the circumstances I'd mentioned, something good should (and did) come out of that.

If, at that point, they let the Jets drive all the way down and score, they deserved it. I figured, worse case for the Saints, Jets would go 3 and out, punt from the end zone and give N.O. possesion Jets territory. But, my guess was wrong... The D came up with a big play and scored.

CantonLegend · 10-05-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by fhotard

In many (most?) cases, I'd agree... take the points. But the Saints' D had been playing well so far. And with the Jets having a pretty good record at 3-0, I was all for trying to stretch the lead as much as possible.

There are times to kick, and there are times to go for it. In my opinion, that was a "Go for it" moment... a situation where an aggressive attitude and an aggressive call was appropriate.

You also have to consider where you're giving the ball back. By not making the TD, N.O. gave it back at the goal line... given the circumstances I'd mentioned, something good should (and did) come out of that.

If, at that point, they let the Jets drive all the way down and score, they deserved it. I figured, worse case for the Saints, Jets would go 3 and out, punt from the end zone and give N.O. possesion Jets territory. But, my guess was wrong... The D came up with a big play and scored.

hell....as a fan i was screaming at my tv....i wanted them to go for it so bad and make the jets play catch up the rest of the game.....but the coach in me was saying, be smart....take the points...we'll need them later

boonedocksaint · 10-05-2009, 12:50 PM

i dont get why ya'll are complaining about payton's play calls. HELLO!? we are 4-0! i'm happy payton isnt calling these stupid double reverses when we're trying to run the ball to close out the game! i've always loved payton, but, hated how he tried to get too cute sometimes. he's playing conservative, for the most part, and playing smart. i'm happy. why do we need to score 40 points a game when our defense is playing so well? why not make it easy, and just run the ball! it's working! in the third quarter i was saying, we might as well just keep running it. they're stopping the pass, but, not the run. go w/ what works! the run was working yesterday. even reggie, to start the game, was 3 attempts for 39 yards yesterday!

as far as going for it on 4th and goal, it was the right thing to do. i was telling my friends, we are gonna go for it. it just made sense. we had a 10 point lead, our defense was playing well, so, why not? even if we didnt punch it in, the jets would have the ball on the one yard line, so, when it didnt work i was thinking, ok, safety time! turns out even better when we got 7 points instead of two!

skymike · 10-05-2009, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by FireVenturi

"im not going to say it......but you know i could

in hindsight its alright....".

It works on Madden, lol....

thats some nice "hindsight you got
there.

10-05-2009, 10:16 AM	#31
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by fhotard It was a recipe for success in my opinion. a recipe for success is taking the points our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back? always always take the points

10-05-2009, 10:24 AM	#32
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by CantonLegend a recipe for success is taking the points our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back? always always take the points If we kick it, we get three instead of seven. when we turned it over on downs, Sanchez fumbled in the end zone and we got seven. If I'm coaching, there isn't many situations I dont go for it from the 1 yd line.

10-05-2009, 10:27 AM	#33
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by FireVenturi If I'm coaching im not going to say it......but you know i could in hindsight its alright.....in the middle of the game its never the best thing to do

10-05-2009, 10:29 AM	#34
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by CantonLegend im not going to say it......but you know i could in hindsight its alright.....in the middle of the game its never the best thing to do It works on Madden, lol....

10-05-2009, 10:51 AM	#35
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by FireVenturi It works on Madden, lol.... lol you're gonna have to teach me those tricks then cuz im terrible at madden

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10-05-2009, 11:31 AM	#36
Frederick Smith SaintsFan101 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 217	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Goal line call was not really that bad. As it turned out kept them pinned near the goal line and resulted in 7 points anyway. May have been some luck there. Against more powerful offenses I would lean toward taking the points though. Can't argue with the play calling. The Saints are finally being smart and taking what the oposition is giving them instead of forcing the ball like we did last year. Thw "W" is what matters most no matter how it is achieved. Just WIN baby!

10-05-2009, 12:05 PM	#37
fhotard 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 263	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by CantonLegend a recipe for success is taking the points our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back? always always take the points In many (most?) cases, I'd agree... take the points. But the Saints' D had been playing well so far. And with the Jets having a pretty good record at 3-0, I was all for trying to stretch the lead as much as possible. There are times to kick, and there are times to go for it. In my opinion, that was a "Go for it" moment... a situation where an aggressive attitude and an aggressive call was appropriate. You also have to consider where you're giving the ball back. By not making the TD, N.O. gave it back at the goal line... given the circumstances I'd mentioned, something good should (and did) come out of that. If, at that point, they let the Jets drive all the way down and score, they deserved it. I figured, worse case for the Saints, Jets would go 3 and out, punt from the end zone and give N.O. possesion Jets territory. But, my guess was wrong... The D came up with a big play and scored.

10-05-2009, 12:11 PM	#38
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by fhotard In many (most?) cases, I'd agree... take the points. But the Saints' D had been playing well so far. And with the Jets having a pretty good record at 3-0, I was all for trying to stretch the lead as much as possible. There are times to kick, and there are times to go for it. In my opinion, that was a "Go for it" moment... a situation where an aggressive attitude and an aggressive call was appropriate. You also have to consider where you're giving the ball back. By not making the TD, N.O. gave it back at the goal line... given the circumstances I'd mentioned, something good should (and did) come out of that. If, at that point, they let the Jets drive all the way down and score, they deserved it. I figured, worse case for the Saints, Jets would go 3 and out, punt from the end zone and give N.O. possesion Jets territory. But, my guess was wrong... The D came up with a big play and scored. hell....as a fan i was screaming at my tv....i wanted them to go for it so bad and make the jets play catch up the rest of the game.....but the coach in me was saying, be smart....take the points...we'll need them later

10-05-2009, 12:50 PM	#39
boonedocksaint 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 340	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns i dont get why ya'll are complaining about payton's play calls. HELLO!? we are 4-0! i'm happy payton isnt calling these stupid double reverses when we're trying to run the ball to close out the game! i've always loved payton, but, hated how he tried to get too cute sometimes. he's playing conservative, for the most part, and playing smart. i'm happy. why do we need to score 40 points a game when our defense is playing so well? why not make it easy, and just run the ball! it's working! in the third quarter i was saying, we might as well just keep running it. they're stopping the pass, but, not the run. go w/ what works! the run was working yesterday. even reggie, to start the game, was 3 attempts for 39 yards yesterday! as far as going for it on 4th and goal, it was the right thing to do. i was telling my friends, we are gonna go for it. it just made sense. we had a 10 point lead, our defense was playing well, so, why not? even if we didnt punch it in, the jets would have the ball on the one yard line, so, when it didnt work i was thinking, ok, safety time! turns out even better when we got 7 points instead of two!

10-05-2009, 04:57 PM	#40
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Offensive Playcall Concerns Originally Posted by FireVenturi "im not going to say it......but you know i could in hindsight its alright....". It works on Madden, lol.... thats some nice "hindsight you got there.