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Based on some of the early rankings; these are guys that jump out at me...

Jerry Hughes, 6-2/257, OLB TCU
- more than one scout has said "he wants it more than anyone else..."; that's what I want on my team...

Jared Odrick, 6-5/308, DT Penn State
- I like an athletically DT in a 4-3 and this guy reminds me of Keith Millard...

Taylor Mays, 6-4/225, S USC
- Never thought I'd see this guy fall, but that's what another year of film will do; he already has the same coverage skills as Harper, but he actually hits people...you know "remember me"...

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Again, Sedrick Ellis playing one-on-one is a prowbowl season in the making. I love having another DT.

Sharper was hand-picked by G Williams - no way he leaves NO.

OLB - ABSOLUTELY.

"Depth" is the watchword for the OL. Don't get cute, get a jack of all positions.

WR? Hmmmm. Not if the current roster stays intact.

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I agree with your assessment. However, Cody won't be there at 32.

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It's kinda been a running joke with a few of us here on the board about drafting another WR...

Aside from drafting the best player available...

The priorities have to be...

Defensive End (Grant, his troubles, and his contract has got to geaux; we need a pass rush; Has Will Smith had his one good year?)

Defensive Tackle (Sedrick has been okay for a No. 1 pick, but we need more disruption in the middle and someone to free up Vilma)

Strong Safety (in case Chip Vaughn doesn't recover or progress; if Harper could consistently bring the wood would be one thing, but his pass coverage skills are schiott)

Outside Linebacker (Fujita and Shanle can start to develop their heir)

Offensive Line (J Brown has lost leverage and may geaux elsewhere, Goodwin getting it done?)

Running Back (Looming Issues in this department include Reggie's 8 mil, Pierre Thomas being satisfied with his contract, Depth)

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center can wait til next year, from what i read on a draft board theres two damn good centers projected to come out next year, one from usc, the other i dont remember.

another LB would be nice, but im still not sure that arnoux isnt that guy, we never got a chance to see what he could bring.

personally, i hope we go D line in the first whether it be a DE or DT it doesnt matter, both are needed. i know someone mentioned kampman earlier and i think that would be a killer pick up.

taylor mays projection keeps falling and falling from what ive seen and with a little luck maybe he or chad jones falls to the end of the 2nd. though i doubt it.

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SLB, DT, OC, CB, TE,

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Would you drop to the early second round if you thought Mays would still be there? or would you geaux with a 4-3 DT like Jared Odrick type?

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DT - LB - RB - DE.
Ellis and a bunch of backups isn't going to get it done.
Fujita and Shanle can be replaced easily.
Bell and Bush could be gone. Thomas gets nicked up too much.
Someone to rush the passer is a must.

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The linebackers in a 4-3 are only as good as the defensive linemen that are up front; I think we underestimate how good the quality of play was this season from Shanle and Fujita...

Strong Safety is the weakest link right now (assuming Sharper stays and can play at the same level); so can Chip Vaughn step up?!?

Defensive Line is still pretty weak and is a direct correlation to the up and down the field stats they are giving up...

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Over DE/DT/WLB/SLB?

I think Harper is a better SS than Shanle or Fujita are OLB's, and better than Grant/McCray at DE, and a better than Ayodele/Clancy at DT.

I'd say SS isn't really a weak link at all.

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We can not talk about FAs this year due to the fact that this capped year is different than most. Unless we lose a FA to another team we are not able to sign one. It is a weird rule the NFL put in place to speed up deliberations.

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Some players are sure to clear waivers; and we also can talk about out current free agents...

But the draft will be the focus of this seasons upcoming new additions...

Draftcountdown.com has the Saints taking the Florida Center...

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This looks like a healthy year for LB's. We could've had Cushing or Matthews. Now look at those guys.

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They are good LBs but they didn't win the super bowl.

Vilma, Fujita and Shanle are excellent LBs.

I hope we keep em!

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Amen on both accounts...

I like our guys...

I wanted Matthews; I was wrong on Cushing...

Jenkins made some plays for us; still early to tell just yet which was the correct pick...

We can begin to make concrete arguments regarding the 2007 Draft, which, was the worse we've had under the current regime...

Jermon Bushrod is the only draftee of note; Pierre Thomas was an UDRFA?!?

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According to profootballtalk.com, Glenn Dorsey could be available via trade/draft?!?

Dorsey and Ellis?!?

Remember right before the 2008 NFL draft we were going to trade up get Dorsey and trade for Shockey?!?

Crazier things have happened, you know...

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According to the mock draft from this site ( http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/2010mock.htm ) the Saints 2010 NFL Draft would be:

1-032 Jared Odrick DT 6'5" 306 Penn State
2-064 Anothony McCoy TE 6'4" 252 USC
3-096 Toby Gerhart RB 6'1" 235 Stanford
4-132 Reggie Carter OLB 6'1" 226 UCLA
5-168 Philadelphia (from New Orleans)
6-207 Brandon Sharpe DE 6'3" 254 Texas Tech
7-246 Chris Marinelli OT 6'7" 305 Stanford

I'd be in the same sheer ecstasy as Farmer Fran of Waterboy fame...

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/89...ran_medium.jpg

That website has got to be from a Saintsfan...

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This guys says Taylor Mays to the Saints

2010 NFL Mock Draft | NFL Mock Draft | NFL Draft

(making Donald Duck quaking noises)

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No, one won rookie of the year and the other tallied 10 sacks...

Look, our two 30yr old LB's played well this season but we still need to add a stud LB w sideline speed and better coverage skills.

Want to argue that?

This years draft is loaded w LB's. I hope we don't pass on two more stars.

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Where the hell did all the draft picks come from?

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Don't forget that Arnoux (cross fingers) will basically have his rookie year. That gives us some additional depth at LB. But I still completely agree here. We still need a playmaker young guy challenging the two outsiders. Eric Norwood, Sergio Kindle (my favorite), Navarro Bowman or Sean Weatherspoon would be obvious.

But I wouldn't doubt that the Saints take a DE or LT prospect first round then go LB later in the draft since it is so deep of a position. A.J. Edds, Sean Lee, Ricky Sapp, Darryl Washington and Sharpton and even Myron Rolle may project well in the later rounds.

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we will be looking for a DT, DE, and LB in this draft

we havent seriously gone after a DE since will smith nearly 6 years ago.

i would venture to say we aggressively pursue a DE in this draft and a NT to go along with ellis

next biggest issue would be LB but considering we have 2 very serviceable LBs plus promising young guys like arnoux, cassillas, waters(if we bring him back), and dunbar.....i cant see us going after a linebacker as much as a DT or DE

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BPA! BPA! BPA!

What about Terrence Cody? I certainly dont see him as an every down player for us, but I like Hargrove as a pass rusher on the inside. Would Cody be a good value pick knowing he would be at most a 2 down run stopping specialist in the mold of a Pat Williams who plays the run situations, but slides off the field in obvious passing downs. His size would allow him occupy multiple blockers making it harder to double team Ellis and to free up Vilma to make even more plays.

I like Dan Williams as well but he seems to be moving up in the middle of the first after his senior bowl workouts.

What about a trade for Dorsey? He does not fit the Chiefs new 3-4 defense. Not sure what it would take to get him, but I would have to imagine that he is on the trade block in KC.

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An influx of young talent to develop would be great, but I dont see anyone in this year's class that will come in and supplant the starters barring Fujita doesnt leave via FA. Our current crews' smarts and savvy are too valuable to our defense. Daryl Washington is my favorite prospect of the LBs. He played inside in TCU's scheme, but I think he would be the most able to contribute immediately as well as be a player to groom as a starter in a few seasons. He would be a great special teams player, a player with good speed and coverage ability and his versatility would allow him to also contribute when Williams employs the 3-4 package. I also like Weatherspoon alot and have seen him in several mocks, but I dont know if he will drop to us after the combine as I would imagine him to be a player to put up some eye popping numbers.

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first off...good post but i disagree with a lot of what you had to say

BPA is purely a myth...there is no such thing as BPA.....would you be content if we took a QB with our first pick? what about a guard? probably not...and neither of them would help us so it would be a waste of a pick....therefore BPA is a myth

cody is my favorite player in this draft.....i see him as an every down guy because he was an every down guy in college.....he doesnt have to get a huge push on passing downs to have a major impact because we blitz so much.....all he has to do is occupy blockers and his job is done

the biggest thing is that it would take 2 blockers like you said and that would not only free up ellis and vilma, but also will smith would have a 1 on 1 on the outside....that would be huge

ellis is not a NT.....dorsey is not a NT.....neither of them would be a good fit for a long term NT and despite both of them being talented, i have to say we got the better deal of the 2 and them playing right next to each other would not change that

ellis is more of a bull rusher and dorsey is more of a speed guy but both of them better fit the 3-tech and because of that reason alone, i cant see us going after another DT who would play the 3-tech....including dorsey

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Are you serious?!?

Harper can't cover schiott; and he hits like a girl!

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harper could use some work in coverage

however, the fact that you said he hits like a girl amazes me because even in the super bowl i was talking about harper bringing the wood

i told everyone about how hard he hits and then on the first series.....POW.....addai gets plowed after a 6 yard reception by none other than harper!

he is much more of a run stopping SS but hes 2nd on our team in tackles and consistantly puts up solid numbers

hes not an elite SS but hes just what we need, just like shanle and fujita

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Think B.S. (Before Sharper)

PI Calls; Harper and Jason David chasing AFTER post patterns; his instincts are awful and he doesn't consistently "bring the wood"...

We need a Strong Safety and if Mays does fall, he'd be an improvement...

But there are options in the draft; including last year's draft...

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heres the thing.....without an all pro SS we arent going to be able to upgrade

SS primarily cover the TEs or the slot receivers

lets look at the TEs we have to cover in our division

kellen winslow jr
tony gonzalez
justin king

we kept all of them out of the endzone.....now not all that credit goes to harper.....but seeing as how the primary job of the safety is to guard the TE i would probably give him most of the credit

consistantly not bringing the wood? i disagree.....id say he is one of the surest tacklers on our team and despite not wrappin up all the time, he does deliver a blow that makes ball carriers get up a little slower

i think safety could be addressed in this draft, but i dont think it would be to upgrade SS.....it would have to be to replace sharper after this season

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The good thing about drafting Jenkins, and with Chip Vaughn waiting for his chance; we could geaux CB and slide Jenkins or draft straight for Safety (which, if Mays is there) you do right away...

SS is important and can be an impact position...see Steelers, Pittsburgh, Defense, SS, Polamalu...

Dawan Landry comes to mind...

Strong Safety is our weakest link on defense...

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while i agree with this part i think its unreasonable to believe there is another troy polamalu in this draft or any other draft for that matter

guys like ed reed and troy polamalu come around once in a great while and its even more rare to have 2 talented safeties like that in the league at the same time

i like mays but many "experts" are losing faith in him. i dont know enough about him because i dont follow DBs like i should. I know hes big and fast and could definitly hit but is he also going to be a liability in pass coverage?

ive heard a lot of reports about him being the next coming of roy williams who couldnt cover to save his life but may hit harder than anybody else in the league

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That would be an improvement over Harper...

If the Saints stay where they are it'll be either Ricky Sapp, DE Clemson; Jared Odrick, DE/DT Penn State; or,
Jerry Hughes, LB TCU...

I like Hughes motor...

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I'd liked to see Hughes in Black and Gold, seems like a DE/OLB tweener that GW would love to have on this team

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what gives you that impression?

roy williams has played 8 seasons while harper has played only 4 and has over 10 more tackles per season

harper already has as many sacks

harper has 6 fumbles forced compared to williams' 9

harper has averages 6.5 passes defensed per year compared to williams 5 per year

oh and roman harper has a super bowl ring.....roy williams has 0

i know stats arent everything but what about williams says hes better than harper? thats absurd to even think that

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Peppers is not that much of a upgrade. He will pull in bank this year and put us in a huge deth problem. I say start McCray and let Hargrove play both de and dt.

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I like Harper.

Remember that clip of...Roger Craig, I think it was...when he went back to the 49er huddle after being hit by Vaughn Johnson and said, "Who was that guy...I don't want to get hit by that guy again."?

I think alot of guys come away from hits by Harper saying, "Who is that guy?" Won't happen much longer, though...cause they're gonna know damn well who that guy is.

With that being said, there is enough room on this roster for JG, TP, MJ, DS, and RH, IMO.

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First of all I love the fact that we are picking 32nd. Because of the fact that the NFL Draft is three days long now, with the first round in Primetime, our 32nd pick is going to have added value this year. Teams in the early part of the second round are going to have to move up to get the players they want before the first day concludes, and I bet we get a TON of trade calls. (Think teams like Lions, Bucs, Redskins trying to jump in front of Rams for a stud that may have dropped due to depth.)

I have heard on multiple occasions now that this is one of the deepest and best drafts for talent in the past 6-7 years due to all of the juniors coming out ahead of a possible work stoppage in 2011.

It wouldn't suprise me in the least if the Saints trade back into the second round and pick up an extra pick this year. However, if DT Odrick or DE Graham or DT Brian Price is on the board at pick number 32, I think the Saints will send Tracy Porter to the podium with his track shoes on to hand in the card.

Also, you guys can forget about Cody. He is a classic NT and we play 4-3 as our base. Our Offense is pretty much set and our secondary is money. If we do anything other than DT, DE, OLB in some order Rounds 1-3 I would be HIGHLY suprised.

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what about that says he couldnt play in a 4-3?

wouldnt his size help us against the run? wouldnt his ability to eat up blockers help us blitz?

didnt we run a 3-4 nearly the entire game against the colts in the super bowl?

i know vilma didnt like the 3-4....at least thats what he said

but i think its deeper than that.....i dont think he minds the 3-4....he just doesnt like the responsibilities he had as a ILB on the jets

he can play anything and he made the pro bowl by playing everything

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I think the Saints have been burned quite enough by players who can't control their appetite. Do I need to mention Jonathan Sullivan around here? LOL.
This is a great draft for DL. I mean great. So if Odrick, Price, or Graham are still on the board that will be the pick.

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1 story coming out of college ruins a guys draft status and "experts" look at it as laziness or immaturity

vontae davis started for the dolphins this season.....but most of the fans on this board didnt want him because he acted out or some other bs they came up with

cody is a talented player......he proved it in his college career and he proved it at the senior bowl even tho he was 15-20 lbs overweight

when he shows up at the combine and realizes that he cant play like that do you really think he is going to be that 15-20 lbs overweight?

i wouldnt be surprised if he is a little under 250 when he shows up at the combine......when you lose money, even if it is theoretical, you either crawl in a hole or work it out.......cody is a baller and he'll show up to play