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jeanpierre 04-22-2010 09:50 PM

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Koa Misi is till out there as well

UK_WhoDat 04-22-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 220427)
Okay TCU's Hughes or Washington, UCLA Pryce, USC Taylor Mays, Texas' Kindle, or Cal's Jahvid Best? Who am I missing as a possibility?

Tight End?

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 09:51 PM

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Tight End rated that high, probably not...

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 09:52 PM

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Koa Misi was one of the surprise picks that could surface...

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 09:53 PM

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Lock and Load Saints Fans, we're nearing our LZ...

UK_WhoDat 04-22-2010 09:54 PM

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Tight End rated that high, probably not...

Injured affected Gronkowsk.....

Waazup 04-22-2010 09:55 PM

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FUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

Gotta take Kindle with Hughes gone.

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 09:55 PM

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ESPN's Pat Yasinskas: Gotta think Everson Griffen and Carlos Dunlap are considerations for the Saints

UK_WhoDat 04-22-2010 10:00 PM

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FUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.......

Wassup, Waazup?

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 10:02 PM

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Clock stopped?!? Trade?!?

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 10:04 PM

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Well our dynasty was nice while it lasted; maybe we can trade J Brown for Dorsey...

UK_WhoDat 04-22-2010 10:04 PM

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Patrick Robinson CB.........

saintsfan1313 04-22-2010 10:05 PM

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patrick robinson DB FSU

UK_WhoDat 04-22-2010 10:05 PM

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NFL speak: Robinson is the Seminoles most active pass defender and should make the transition to the next level well. His combination of size, strength and athleticism is best suited as a rolled up corner in two deep schemes. He is a solid perimeter run defender but not always physical versus larger ball carriers. Pat needs to use his hands better to jam and reroute receivers off the line of scrimmage as well as his over all body positioning in coverage. He can be aggressive in zone schemes and is susceptible to gadget plays as well as double moves. Robinson is a good football player that should contribute on special teams as a rookie while developing his overall game

UK_WhoDat 04-22-2010 10:07 PM

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Strength
Robinson possesses the ideal size and straight line speed coveted in today’s starting corners. He anticipates break points well and jumps routes. Robinson’s a competitive defender with great ball skills, who was not tested often later in his college career. He’s a special team’s contributor, which will allow him to see the field immediately.
Weakness
Only has average play speed for the position and doesn’t have as much closing burst and quickness when transitioning as you’d like to see. There are some durability questions as he dealt with multiple injuries in college. Only an average technician who would benefit from some coaching up at the next level.

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 10:09 PM

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CBS Sportline

Overview
Robinson has good size and athleticism and has all the natural traits teams are looking for in a first-round pick.

He exploded onto the scene in 2007, snaring six interceptions despite only starting five games. He was suspended for his role in the infamous Florida State academic scandal and missed the Music City Bowl and the first three games of the 2008 season, but quickly proved just as effective as a junior.

In '09, Robinson enjoyed his best all-around season. He had career highs in tackles (47), solo tackles (37), passes broken up (11) and forced fumbles (two).

Athletic, instinctive and possessing good size, Robinson has all of the traits teams are looking for in a first-round cornerback -- except consistency. He has all of the natural talent and ability necessary to become a Pro Bowl cornerback, but there is no denying his inconsistent play leaves the door open for Robinson to be a bust.

Analysis
Read & React: Good instincts for the position. Reads the receiver and is athletic enough to mirror routes. Willing to take gambles and will bait the quarterback. Showed better focus as a senior. Aggressively attacks the line on outside runs and wide receiver screens.

Man Coverage: Lanky athlete with long arms. Built to play press coverage. Aggressive use of hands at the line of scrimmage helps knock receivers off routes. Good low, tight backpedal. Good balance and foot quickness to turn and mirror the receiver's route.

Zone Coverage: Good low, tight backpedal. Good route recognition for zone coverage. Reads the quarterback's eyes and closes quickly. Needs to improve his discipline in zone coverage, as he too often trusts his eyes and can wander out of his zone.

Closing/Recovery: Explosive burst to close toward the passer. Shows a legitimate second gear to recover if beaten initially. Former wide receiver with natural hands for the interception. Can pluck the ball outside of his frame and secures it quickly. Competes well for the jump ball. Times his leaps and has explosive athleticism. Natural playmaker with good vision for the return. Elusive and has very good straight-line speed to pull away.

Run Support: Looks smaller on film than his listed size. Has a cover corner mentality -- steers clear of head-on physical contact in run support. Will make the tackle when needed, but isn't likely to throw his body into the ballcarrier. Showed improved recognition of the sweep as a senior, rushing up to the line of scrimmage to beat the block and make the tackle behind the line. Will struggle to take down bigger ballcarriers. Will grab on, but is too often taken for a ride until teammates arrive to clean up.

Tackling: Efficient wrap-up tackler in the open field. Breaks down in space and isn't afraid to take on the bigger man, though he typically relies on duck-and-swipe type tackles. Quick, active hands to rip the ball away. Forced two fumbles in 2009.

Intangibles: Has all the tools. However, he hasn't developed into a true standout and has minimal starting experience (24 starts in 44 career games). Suspended for four games (2008 Music City Bowl, first three games of 2008) for his role in the Florida State academic scandal. Good special teams player with experience as kickoff and punt returner and with a blocked kick and blocked PAT (returned it for two points) to his credit.

NFL Comparison: Eric Wright, Browns

jeanpierre 04-22-2010 10:12 PM

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Wonder if we didn't take so long to pick as this was a pick and trade deal?

jeanpierre 04-23-2010 07:24 AM

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I see couple of players we could trade for direct exchange or to move up in Round 2...

J Brown and now, Roman Harper, if Sharper is resigned...

FatCitySaint 04-23-2010 08:27 AM

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and now, Roman Harper, if Sharper is resigned...

??? WHAT????:whatever:

jeanpierre 04-24-2010 11:58 AM

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Okay So the Saints drafted a cornerback in Round 1, an offensive tackle in round 2 and a tight end in round 3 (what was the investment in Shockey?!?) and I spend the last two days in the hospital with ESPN blocked by the medical staff...

Just got discharged and I'm going the New Orleans to kick Mickey Loomis and his staff in the knutz...

Want to draft a guy at his value spot...fine

Trade up and get your guys, you;ve got bullets in Brown and Harper...

You trade to get a punter but not a defensive lineman or linebacker?!?

I can't wait to see this one play out...

CantonLegend 04-24-2010 12:03 PM

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You trade to get a punter but not a defensive lineman or linebacker?!?

I can't wait to see this one play out...

lol thats funny

we did trade up for the LSU kid in the 4th tho

SCHEX10 04-24-2010 12:20 PM

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should have took bowman in the 2nd and aaron hernandez/dorin dickerson/ricky sapp in 3rd

SCHEX10 04-24-2010 12:32 PM

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trade up to get harry coleman

jeanpierre 04-28-2010 09:21 PM

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I'm still amazed that the Saints were willing to trade up to get a punter last year and were not willing to do the same with glaring needs at Defensive Tackle, Defensive End, and Linebacker...

I see the picks as good, hell, great value picks...

but I mean, did Loomis and the scouting staff take the entire offseason to pat themselves on the back and not prepare the trading scenarios to move up and get some help for the pass rush and run stoppers that are needed?!?

Are we to be a one hit wonder?

The talking heads on ESPN are calling out the Saints saying we have to validate our championship as if they knew what they were saying?!?

We have to protect this house!

ARRRGHHHH!!!! I hope this wasn't another Usama Young Andy Alleman Draft Playoff Hangover Draft!!!!

And would somebody please take the trophy away from Tom Benson and the Zurich Classic and let his grand daughter parade around with it instead!!!

strato 04-28-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 223187)
I'm still amazed that the Saints were willing to trade up to get a punter last year and were not willing to do the same with glaring needs at Defensive Tackle, Defensive End, and Linebacker...

I see the picks as good, hell, great value picks...

but I mean, did Loomis and the scouting staff take the entire offseason to pat themselves on the back and not prepare the trading scenarios to move up and get some help for the pass rush and run stoppers that are needed?!?

Are we to be a one hit wonder?

Bookem Danno

Danno 04-28-2010 10:17 PM

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Bookem Danno

Perhaps they learned their lesson?;)

jeanpierre 05-02-2010 08:55 AM

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WWL TV - by Ralph Marborough / Contributing Writer

So in reviewing the Saints draft there really were two ways to look at it. The Saints have the most competent front office the in the history of the team. Mickey Loomis and crew know what they are doing, they follow their rankings, and never draft for need instead of talent.

The second way to look at the Saints draft is what would have been the reaction from me, fans and experts to the picks if the Saints hadn’t won the Super Bowl?

That second question in the Bizarro universe would be very interesting...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 223187)
Shutdown Corner - Doug Farrar

The rich get richer, as the Saints got an absolute steal with USC offensive tackle Charles Brown(notes) at the bottom of the second round. Medical red flags dropped him, but Brown is a legitimate left tackle prospect and gives the team some interesting post-Jammal Brown(notes) options. In the first round, New Orleans added to the defensive backfield with Florida cornerback Patrick Robinson(notes), an athletic but inconsistent player who will undergo the Gregg Williams Crash Course. The pick of Miami tight end Jimmy Graham(notes) in the third round was panned by some, as he was primarily a basketball player for the ‘Canes, but nobody plots offensive mismatches better than Sean Payton, and Graham is a ridiculous athlete. However, LSU defensive tackle Al Woods(notes) may be as important a pick as any for the Saints, given their weakness against the run in three-man fronts. Woods is an underrated big guy who can help in a rotation.

Rounds one through three are what count; they have to contribute immediately, even on a winning team...


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Tony Moss - Sports Network

Analysis: The Saints were expected by most to bolster their defense, but after taking CB Malcolm Jenkins in the first-round last season, the defending champs' selection of another corner was a mild surprise. The selection of Brown was not a "need" pick either, but could be a good one for the defending champs down the road. Brown was projected as a first-rounder by many. Graham will join another former Hurricanes tight end, Jeremy Shockey, on the New Orleans roster. Graham must work on his blocking to get on the field. The fourth-round pick, Woods, has talent but needs to be coached up to stick at DT. Tennant was rated by some as one of the top two centers in this draft, and could be the team's long-term answer at the center position. Canfield's best shot to remain a Saint will be on the practice squad.

Bottom Line: Defending champs didn't have a great deal of crying needs, but it was surprising that they didn't add much depth to the defensive front seven.

Guess we'll see...

jeanpierre 05-02-2010 11:54 AM

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Curious that Peter King said that upon review of the Saints draft that they addressed a big need at cornerback...

I know he's not very popular as he comes off as a pompous gas bag; but, if this young man gets his helmet on straight, the Saints have a cornerback corps as good as any in the league...

And the Safeties should be, with logic prevailing, Sharper, Jenkins, Harper, Vaughn, Reiss at the very least...not too shabby

Now if we only had a defensive line...

strato 05-02-2010 12:04 PM

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we do Will S. Sed Ellis...B McCray...Hargrove...Al Woods...Remi.A...Alex Brown..Jimmy.W..J.Gallett...and a few more im missing here..

jeanpierre 05-02-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 223836)
we do Will S. Sed Ellis...B McCray...Hargrove...Al Woods...Remi.A...Alex Brown..Jimmy.W..J.Gallett...and a few more im missing here..

We've got to have more starters; the Brown and Wilkerson signings were fortunate, but we need another big tackle...

strato 05-02-2010 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 223894)
We've got to have more starters; the Brown and Wilkerson signings were fortunate, but we need another big tackle...

I know..sarcasm...but we might have to go into the season with that group..

CheramieIII 05-03-2010 08:41 AM

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The addition of Brown and Wilkerson are definite upgrades for the D-line this year. We were 21st against the run and 13th in sacks last season, so these additions can only send those rankings higher. Woods will be starting by year end and Pressley will be placed into the rotation at the DT position opposite Sellis.

I didn't really like the draft at first but we stole Brown and Graham, Tennant was the best center in the draft, Woods is the wide body we needed and a great value pick, Canfield may be the heir apparent if Daniels doesn't work (my money is still on Daniels. He reminds me of Drew). I still have problems with the Robinson pick. I know they picked him for the system but the quickest feet in the draft can't move if your not cerebral at the same time.

Danno 05-03-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 223909)
I still have problems with the Robinson pick. I know they picked him for the system but the quickest feet in the draft can't move if your not cerebral at the same time.

I don't think brains were his problem, consistency was his problem.

CheramieIII 05-03-2010 09:07 AM

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I don't think brains were his problem, consistency was his problem.

and that too, thanks Danno.

jeanpierre 05-06-2010 10:49 PM

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Looking forward to seeing how the draftees and UDRFA look in the Black and Gold...

jeanpierre 05-09-2010 07:19 PM

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New Orleans Saints used technology to draft their players

By James Varney, The Times-Picayune

May 08, 2010, 9:24AM

In the NFL draft last month, New Orleans Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis commanded not one but two sprawling systems in the team's draft room, a position that earned him a new nickname: Captain Kirk.

For the first time, the Saints were employing a new technology they have developed, along with a Microsoft spinoff company. The software, called "Surface," allowed the Saints to compress reams of information and video on hundreds of players, creating a kind cyberspace trading card with dozens of backs that can be displayed with a mouse click or screen touch.

Thus, on large wall screens and smaller personal computers, every Saints executive, coach or scout in the room could follow the action in the draft as a whole, and in real time study the team's own rankings at every position, and a list of the best available players according to the Saints' grades.

Watching Loomis as the admiral on this deck, which just a year ago had involved magnets, tape and stacks and stacks of paperwork, the software men dubbed him the commander of the Starship Enterprise.

But Loomis kept the magnets up, too. While he controlled the draft day operation from a post that looks like a coffee-table sized iPhone, he conceded he had some trepidation. It worked like a dream.

"Even the older-school guys get it," Loomis enthused. "Now we've got a way to put it all together. It's always been available to us, but now we can associate it with players and numbers."

For example, the Saints get reams of data from an outfit called STATS. Some of this is the same kind of numbers that comprise Monday morning boxscores and are familiar to every football fan. But others, "burned defender," or, "stuff," are more arcane yet revealing statistics that in the past required labor-intensive time to collate.

Now, it's all there with a click -- the Saints' own research, video footage from games for players, and for the draft, footage from the NFL combine and various school's Pro Days.

"We're always looking for an edge," Loomis said. "Whether it's technology, the talent of your people, anything. I think we have talented evaluators, and part of my job is to find the best way to use that."

The road to what now appears the best way began in 2007 when John Pollard, who was doing some NFL marketing work for Microsoft, met Loomis and some other Saints executives.

"Surface" was a fledgling at the time, but when Pollard brought it up, he said the Saints' team instinctively grasped its potential.

"So I brought Mickey and some others over to Microsoft -- top secret now," Pollard said. "At the time, the applications we'd developed were rudimentary -- finger painting, checkers."

Those basic pleasures are still a part of "Surface." Bill Gates and Warren Buffett use it to play cards together. But Pollard made frequent trips to Metairie, and eventually he and some other partners formed a company called Identity Mine. But the venture capital and much of the intellectual impetus for Identity Mine came from Microsoft and some other heavy hitters, and they also have a stake should the product become popular in the league, according to Pollard.

Thus far that hasn't happened. In fact, Loomis would like to keep it that way and confessed he had some reluctance about even discussing it. But the NFL is hip to it now, although Pollard acknowledged not every team has expressed interest.

At the moment the package the Saints are using costs roughly $250,000 with a service and maintenance contract adding thousands more. Pollard said that is a cut rate given to the Saints because of their initial, enthusiastic support, and the fact feedback from the Saints was instrumental in developing some of the features.

"With the Saints, it was just serendipity," Pollard said, estimating the Saints had easy access to some 30 percent of the information they owned. "I hit it off with Mickey, and Sean Payton was the right coach because he grasped it all immediately. I like the Saints people personally, and as an organization they have a vision."

The Saints have 32 terabytes of video on file. That is to "Surface" as some old-school mainframe is to a laptop. Payton, for instance, can break down video in a fraction of the time, scouts can compare Pro Days coast to coast, and players, quite soon, will have game video reviewable on their phone at home.

Ultimately, that's the beauty of "Surface". It promises not a new batch of information that must be absorbed and learned, but an easy and increasingly familiar way to access all the information already on hand. Loomis said younger staffers have taken to the system like otters to water.

"What we've been using the last 10 years I would equate to the CD collection you might have had then," Loomis said.

New Orleans Saints used technology to draft their players | - NOLA.com


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