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First round pick is a moot issue because we are going to sign Ronnie Brown and hand our pick to the Dolphins. Cha Ching!

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Well... it is a presumably deep draft at DT and DE ... let's take advantage of it. Plus another LB or two.

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Maybe Ronnie can play the first 8 games then Reggie can come in for the second 8 games...

Many are forgetting Larry Johnson may be available via trade; we just couldn't sign 'em...

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I would not mind Cody at all. I dont think it will happen as someone ahead of us who runs the 3-4 predominantly will value him at NT too much. In the event that he falls, I would not be shocked at all if the Chiefs at 36 wanted to make a deal to trade up to get Cody to anchor their 3-4. I agree that Cody would be a big boost to our run defense. He would likely command a double team and would free up Ellis to penetrate the gaps and the LBs to be free to roam. However, he does not have the ability to get to the QB so would need to be taken out on passing downs in favor of Hargove (which again, I am totally for because I think a fresh Hargrove in a pass rush situation is great). Its a good move by him to drop some weight before the Combine, but his overall conditioning could be a concern. Also, he has been scouted as not always giving 100% (sometimes due to fatigue late in games). At 32, picking up a premier run stopping DT, although he need not be on the field to rush the passer, is a good pick IMO, but I would also be entertaining that offer from the Chiefs.

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So then what happens to Dorsey? And do the Saints make a trade?

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I'm Pro-Dorsey. We have ammunition, so it could happen.

Okay Smash, draft an LB or TWO?? Nah, I could see us taking one early tho especially if any of the top 4 or 5 are there at 32.

Biggest holes in our defense?
DL
S
CB depth
OLB

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Some value in R2 if they are there...

Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern
Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
Daryl Washington, OLB, TCU

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Canton still can't figure out that we run a 4-3 defense and that Cody is best fit at NT in a 3-4. He'll keep arguing, making nonsensical points, and generally be misinformed about all things football if you keep replying to him.

My advice is to just wait until the draft, and when Cody's fat ass is still sitting there when we pick at number 32 and we pass then and only then will this be resolved. I think the Saints personnel people know best so if they pass on him then I will feel pretty vindicated in this argument.

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Well, depending what we do in FA, it looks like passing on Clay Matthews or Brian Cushing last season may have been ill-advised (I know it's still early on the OSU guy and in the end, I've warmed to the pick)...

But I'm not sure who you sign at Linebacker at this point; reminds me of the situation the past two years of when we were trying to resurrect the career of Dan Morgan?!?

Linebackers in the draft...or do we just trade some picks...again?!?

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any offensive players we might be looking at?

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TE?

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i think so too.....but no brandon pettigrew type guy this year

maybe another slot WR like gilyard

i keep thinkin we will go for a TE/FB hybrid type

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Trade around in the first two rounds for of the draft to get a couple of thirds and pick these two up? of course the first two picks go defense.

TE/HB/HB/FB(?) Dorin Dickerson, Pitt, 6-1, 226, 4.40.
Benchx225: 24. Vertical: 43. Arm: 34
Third down and goal line guy at pitt that can catch? sounds like Bells replacement to me. Flip him out the back field with bush in the slot and force LB coverage? hmmm interesting.

TE Dennis Pitta, BYU, 6-4, 245, 4.63,
Benchx225: 27. Vertical: 34. Arm: 32 1/4 Pitta is probably the best pass catching TE in the draft, definitely the smartest. I like the idea. Now take the Bush and Dickerson play and throw Pitta as the TE? That would have SP drooling I am sure and defenses reeling.

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Dorin Dickerson - 43 inch vertical. I know who's diving over the pile at the goal line.

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Weatherspoon is the top LB in the draft and won't make it out of round 1 IMO.

Washington may be there at 32, but I'd rather have Jerry Hughes TCU - the guy is a DE/LB type who can cover.

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Here's my mock draft for the Saints. I would like to trade down out of the first round for more picks, though.
Round 1: Brandon Graham DE Michigan
Round 2: Brandon Spikes LB Florida (moved to OLB)
Round 3: Mitch Petrus OG Ark (hopefully he could play some C)
Round 4: Ciron Black OT LSU (Stinchcomb's eventual replacement)
Round 6: Walter McFadden CB Aub

What do you guys think?

Would also like to have Everson Griffen, Terrance Cody or Cam Thomas, Pouncey, Sean Weatherspoon, or Jimmy Graham

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i watched dickerson quite a bit as i was following cincy.......dickerson my be listed as a goalline and 3rd down guy but can easily play every down. hes a big power guy but just like his 4.4 speed says, hes fast enough to break away from anyone......i like him a lot.....all the numbers are there

but i just cant see us taking a running back

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We are not taking a RB or any other offensive player in round 1. Not happening.

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Our offense was first in the league last year and has basically lost no one. Why on earth would we need to draft anyone on that side of the ball except maybe a backup OL in the later rounds?

Why not try to keep upgrading your weak spot? Your defense.

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SO why not protect your offense by drafting players who fit?

Injuries happen and when certain players go down, we can be screwed, namely O linemen, RB, TE, QB (if Brees goes down we're screwed anyway)


Okay, specifically our biggest weak spot was the middle of our DL. That's one pick. We could lose Sharper, that's two. Outside of that we need DL depth and another OLB (if Arnoux doesn't start).

That leaves picks and UDFA's (which we seem to have the most success with).

Just don't be disappointed or surprised if we pick offense - We probably need it.

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I didn't say we wouldn't take an offensive player in the draft. I just said it won't be on Day 1 or Day 2 of the 3 Day draft.

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I think we could use a young backup offensive lineman and may need to draft someone who can replace Goodwin as I think he becomes a FA next year. Also, if an offensive player falls and is a steal at one of the Saints picks, I wouldnt mind them selecting a WR, TE, OL if they are a great value pick.

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At #32, someone on Offense slipping that far to outvalue our need at D, AND doesn't have a character issue is extremely remote.

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if this draft pans out like most Payton drafts then the Saints will take BPA in the first couple rounds, a middle round offensive lineman and then take a chance on small school standouts .... lets see how right I am come April 21

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You mean like Carl Nicks, or Jahri Evans or Marques Colston or Pierre Thomas?

I'm not saying we will pick O in 1st round, but don't be surprised if we do. Especially if the value of the offensive player outweighs the value of the defensive player at #32.

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We didn't draft any of those players at #32. In fact we passed on all of them MULTIPLE times. I'm not saying we won't find diamonds in the rough again. I'm saying at pick number 32 of this years draft, I am 99.9% certain we are going to take a defensive player with that pick. The draft is too loaded this year on that side of the ball and that is the side of the ball that we need the most help. If CJ Spiller is sitting there for some odd reason at #32 do we take him? I hope not. I hope the front office could find a dance partner to trade down with. BPA sounds good in theory if you have a young and or crappy team, but when you are a loaded Superbowl champion you take BPA at your areas of need which are DE, OLB, DT this year.

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Those guys were talented enough was my point.

I agree (and i hope) that we go DT/DE w #32.

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Wasnt referring to pick 32 specifically. Could be any round, but they will draft smart and that means drafting for value over reaching for need.

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I could see an offensive player at 32..if it is the BPA...although i hope we go D..but you never know who will be sitting there..

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That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points...

First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al?

Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs...

Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses?

I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available...

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Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need.

Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful

Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32?

I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are.

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And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick...

Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need...

But it's all good if we continue to disagree...

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Does this mean the Saints will draft Mr Irrelevent.

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the last pick is a compensatory pick but since we only lost fujita, it will likely not be us

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Just thought it might be funny.

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Was looking at the draft order and considering the Redskins like "proven" veterans over free agents (Shanahan may be the new coach, but Snyder still will make the calls), I think the Saints should consider trading Jamaal Brown to swap No. 1's and pick up an additonal R3 pick...

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Could not agree more. I would love to see Dan Williams, Brian Price, or Sean Weatherspoon taken at 32. But top end franchises that are continuously picking in the latter part of the rounds draft for value. If there is a team need, and a player's value matches that need, then sure its a no brainer. But you draft based on value and you follow your draft board. I see us taking a defender as well because in my opinion, there are most defensive players with value in that 25-35 range than offensive players so I think there will be someone there with value to fill a need. But again, if a player that the Saints draft board has valued in the top 20 falls to 32, they are smart enough to take that talent rather than reach down their draft board for a player valued 35 who fits a "need".

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PRO DAY WORKOUT - Missouri Tigers

OLB Sean Weatherspoon
The third-ranked outside linebacker parlayed his strong combine showing into a very good pro day on Thursday, including an improved 40-yard dash time. At the combine, Weatherspoon ran the 40 in 4.68 seconds and did 34 bench-press reps. At his pro day, he ran the 40 in 4.54 and 4.52 seconds and added another rep to his bench press.

Overall, Weatherspoon has looked good throughout every postseason showing. The 6-foot-1¼, 239-pounder has very quick feet, changes directions well, is fluid and has improved his ball skills. As a result, Weatherspoon likely will come off the board late in the first round.

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IMO Weatherspoon and Jerry Hughes are the top OLB in the draft. We would be lucky to grab either one at 32.