You know,

strato · 11-21-2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

alright then heres what you should be looking for because apparently even when i post videos of the line doing its job you still dont know what you're seeing.......

the lines job is not to blow ppl off the ball. the lines job is to make contact with the defenders and keep them off the ball carrier. they dont have to push a guy backwards to do that. most of the time all they have to do is turn their seats and create an alley for the running back to run through

running plays are not designed to get 10 yards. they are designed to get 3 to 5 yards because you cant possibly block everybody on one play. what you see in these videos is a lot of 3 to 4 yard gains in which we use carl nicks' elite skills to pop off successful runs

nicks is seen often in these videos reaching for linebackers and pulling to the inside of the right side of the line in order to give the running back a big lead blocker to follow

in only a handful of runs in those videos do the backs actually get stuffed and very few if any do the backs get caught behind the line

linemen are not going to push 350lb defensive linemen backwards....what they are going to do is catch them before they make a move and turn their seat so they can create a seam for the backs to get through

no wonder ppl complain so much about the line....this is why i say you guys dont know what you're talking about

Canton ..if we don't know what were talking about ..WHY do you come here?...this is getting ridiculous your little I am smarter than all outburst..

Please if your going to insult everyone's intelligence ..do the smart thing and do it somewhere else..

Your act is wearing thin here...REAL THIN!

Peace

saintfan · 11-21-2011, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by mighty12

I am still wondering what I am suppose to see differently in the videos that were posted. Here is what I DID see, the Oline get beat at the point of attack, not able to push off blocks and hit the next level(especially on draw plays where down field blocking is crucial.) once the back gets to the line of scrimmage he is hit by 3 defenders and has to churn forward to make any yards. But let's not blame just the Oline, we have backs who apparently lack vision. There were many plays where the RB could have cut back for a huge gain, but choose to drop his head in a pile of defenders for minimal yardage. From top to bottom we lack a consistent running game. But hey what do I know, I'm just a fan.

Don't sweat it mighty12. This fool has to save face. He will defend his position even when reality smacks him upside his head.

CharityMike · 11-21-2011, 11:28 AM

To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE.
As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year.

strato · 11-21-2011, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE.
As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year.

Same can be said of Ivory..but he still can get yards...Ingram needs better vision out there..it will come.....i hope

jcp026 · 11-21-2011, 02:24 PM

I still can't figure out how to start a thread. Can someone start a 2012 draft thread so I can post on it?

CharityMike · 11-21-2011, 04:55 PM

I am confused...did somebody say something about boobs

BringTheWood · 11-22-2011, 12:59 AM

Damn Canton, where in your life are you not being fulfilled? My life sucks and I'm nowhere near as much of a hater as you. Stat crunching is an intelligent way to break down sports, or anything really, but it isn't a perfect picture of what you should come to expect. Ivory and Ingram have both battled a few injuries and neither one of them seem 100% up to the task of being a workhorse yet. That being said, I think with everything we've seen from each back, Ivory is more proven. Take into account what he did last year. Maybe he will never return to form like that, but he definitely earned a shot at being considered long term. Ingram was a pick I think the Saints made because they were unsure about Ivory, didn't have Sproles, knew Reggie was walking and didn't feel like P.T. was all that we'd ever need. It just so happens that they're all ready and willing to play now. In time we'll see what happens for the long term, and I truly feel like Ingram or Ivory are going to be the main 2 battling it out for that 3rd hard-runner spot. I know Chris Ivory has it in him to be great, and I know Ingram does too. I personally feel like Ivory should be splitting carries almost completely with P.T. and that P.T. and sproles should share the receptions with Sproles on returns. Ingram should ride the bench for some of this year, make sure any physical naggings are expunged and just mature under a masterful offense. Stop all of the bickering though. Value your opinion, but remember that it is yours, and try to keep the sharp end of it to yourself.

Choupique · 11-22-2011, 03:36 PM

I'm waiting for the day when loyal fans live up to that bill. If anyone isn't pleased with Ingram you could always become an Atlanta fan.

I trust our coaches and staff and no amount of disloyal internet forum drivel from "fans" will ever change that. Two dat.

strato · 11-22-2011, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Choupique

I'm waiting for the day when loyal fans live up to that bill. If anyone isn't pleased with Ingram you could always become an Atlanta fan.

I trust our coaches and staff and no amount of disloyal internet forum drivel from "fans" will ever change that. Two dat.

We know...

foreverfan · 11-22-2011, 07:18 PM

Jesus... I can't believe I read all of that. I even "LIKED" Choupique. What's the world coming too. LOL..

11-21-2011, 05:05 PM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CantonLegend alright then heres what you should be looking for because apparently even when i post videos of the line doing its job you still dont know what you're seeing....... the lines job is not to blow ppl off the ball. the lines job is to make contact with the defenders and keep them off the ball carrier. they dont have to push a guy backwards to do that. most of the time all they have to do is turn their seats and create an alley for the running back to run through running plays are not designed to get 10 yards. they are designed to get 3 to 5 yards because you cant possibly block everybody on one play. what you see in these videos is a lot of 3 to 4 yard gains in which we use carl nicks' elite skills to pop off successful runs nicks is seen often in these videos reaching for linebackers and pulling to the inside of the right side of the line in order to give the running back a big lead blocker to follow in only a handful of runs in those videos do the backs actually get stuffed and very few if any do the backs get caught behind the line linemen are not going to push 350lb defensive linemen backwards....what they are going to do is catch them before they make a move and turn their seat so they can create a seam for the backs to get through no wonder ppl complain so much about the line....this is why i say you guys dont know what you're talking about Canton ..if we don't know what were talking about ..WHY do you come here?...this is getting ridiculous your little I am smarter than all outburst.. Please if your going to insult everyone's intelligence ..do the smart thing and do it somewhere else.. Your act is wearing thin here...REAL THIN! Peace

11-21-2011, 03:46 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by mighty12 I am still wondering what I am suppose to see differently in the videos that were posted. Here is what I DID see, the Oline get beat at the point of attack, not able to push off blocks and hit the next level(especially on draw plays where down field blocking is crucial.) once the back gets to the line of scrimmage he is hit by 3 defenders and has to churn forward to make any yards. But let's not blame just the Oline, we have backs who apparently lack vision. There were many plays where the RB could have cut back for a huge gain, but choose to drop his head in a pile of defenders for minimal yardage. From top to bottom we lack a consistent running game. But hey what do I know, I'm just a fan. Don't sweat it mighty12. This fool has to save face. He will defend his position even when reality smacks him upside his head.

11-21-2011, 11:34 AM	#4
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by CharityMike To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE. As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year. Same can be said of Ivory..but he still can get yards...Ingram needs better vision out there..it will come.....i hope halloween 65 likes this.

11-21-2011, 02:24 PM	#5
jcp026 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 955	I still can't figure out how to start a thread. Can someone start a 2012 draft thread so I can post on it?
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11-21-2011, 04:55 PM	#6
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	I am confused...did somebody say something about boobs saintfan and foreverfan like this.

11-21-2011, 11:28 AM	#3
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	To me, this can all be summed up by one word: PREDICTABLE. As its already been said in this thread, when Ingram is in, we are running the ball. I think we can count on one hand how many times he was in and we didn't run. That to me is what is "supposedly" wrong with Ingram. He doesn't get the luxury of surprise. Until that happens, this is the way it's gonna be this year.

11-22-2011, 12:59 AM	#7
BringTheWood 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 165	Damn Canton, where in your life are you not being fulfilled? My life sucks and I'm nowhere near as much of a hater as you. Stat crunching is an intelligent way to break down sports, or anything really, but it isn't a perfect picture of what you should come to expect. Ivory and Ingram have both battled a few injuries and neither one of them seem 100% up to the task of being a workhorse yet. That being said, I think with everything we've seen from each back, Ivory is more proven. Take into account what he did last year. Maybe he will never return to form like that, but he definitely earned a shot at being considered long term. Ingram was a pick I think the Saints made because they were unsure about Ivory, didn't have Sproles, knew Reggie was walking and didn't feel like P.T. was all that we'd ever need. It just so happens that they're all ready and willing to play now. In time we'll see what happens for the long term, and I truly feel like Ingram or Ivory are going to be the main 2 battling it out for that 3rd hard-runner spot. I know Chris Ivory has it in him to be great, and I know Ingram does too. I personally feel like Ivory should be splitting carries almost completely with P.T. and that P.T. and sproles should share the receptions with Sproles on returns. Ingram should ride the bench for some of this year, make sure any physical naggings are expunged and just mature under a masterful offense. Stop all of the bickering though. Value your opinion, but remember that it is yours, and try to keep the sharp end of it to yourself. saintfan and Danno like this.
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11-22-2011, 03:36 PM	#8
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	I'm waiting for the day when loyal fans live up to that bill. If anyone isn't pleased with Ingram you could always become an Atlanta fan. I trust our coaches and staff and no amount of disloyal internet forum drivel from "fans" will ever change that. Two dat. foreverfan likes this.
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11-22-2011, 05:56 PM	#9
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Choupique I'm waiting for the day when loyal fans live up to that bill. If anyone isn't pleased with Ingram you could always become an Atlanta fan. I trust our coaches and staff and no amount of disloyal internet forum drivel from "fans" will ever change that. Two dat. We know...

11-22-2011, 07:18 PM	#10
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Jesus... I can't believe I read all of that. I even "LIKED" Choupique. What's the world coming too. LOL..

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