saintz08

How about we start with the player at the position in the system .

Is Brooks the quarterback for a team that has the Hogs and loves to grind the ball ??
No......

Is Brooks a quarterback in a deviation of a westcoast offensive structure ???
Yes .......

Now why don\'t we look at the player in the system ???

In a WCO,

The quarterback must be a poised leader who manages a team well. He should be accurate and be able to throw all the different types of passes. He needs to quickly read defenses and get rid of the ball quickly. Because of the deception involved in the WCO, a good ball handler is a big plus. Most importantly, a quarterback\'s teammates must believe in him.

wide receivers must be good (precise) route runners. They need to be able to read defenses and adjust their routes during the play based on the coverage as it develops. They should have good hands, be quick in and out of their cuts (to separate from defenders), and be good runners after the catch (the WCO depends on yards after the catch).

tight ends must be able to read defenses, get open, and make the clutch catch over the middle of the defense. Getting off the line of scrimmage quickly is critical.

running backs must be good receivers, have good hands and be able to pick up the blitz. Elusiveness is also a big plus since the running back will be able to pick up big yardage after the catch if he can make one or two defenders miss.

Now let\'s break this down :

Brooks .... No

Brooks ..... No

Brooks .... No

Butterfinger Brooks ..... No

Brooks ..... Questionable

Simple math dictates , Wrong quarterback in the system .........








[Edited on 14/5/2004 by saintz08]

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On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
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GumboBC

08 - I have this same post on another board. gerryv of Sports Radio 1280 WODT AM commented on it and here\'s what he said. It pertains to exactly what I think you are confused about. Remember this post was about leadership

Anyway here is gerryv\'s post:

saintz08

Wrong player in the system and why would other players believe ???

GumboBC

LOL --

08 -- I know you know your football. I know you\'ll stick to your guns about Brooks and Haslett and we\'ll just keep dancin\' around the floor and never change each other\'s minds.

I expect nothing less. The more I keep typing :yltype: The more frustrated I shall get -

So, I\'m going to sit this dance out...LOL

SaintNik

Leadership in football is most important when it comes from the head coach. Like any manager of people, he has the authority to praise, scold, encourage, correct, and teach his personnel. It is in fact, his duty to do just that. The coach is the commander in chief.

The quarterback is known as the field general. This title had more meaning in the era when the QB called all of the offensive plays with no instruction from the sidelines. The quarterback must know where each player is to line up and where they are going on each play. All other players are in most cases only required to know their assignments or theirs and a limited number of the other players. The other 10 players on the field do expect the QB to know what he is doing and make sound descisions. The ability and history of making plays creates confidence by others in a player at any position.

In todays NFL with prima donnas and fragile egos its more delicate for any player on the team to be a chop buster, calling other players on their mistakes. For the quarterback to do so he must also be willing to take it in return. Do you think it would build team chemistry to have the leader of the offensive line to get in the QBs face because he took a sack instead of stepping up in the pocket or getting rid of the ball sooner? How about the receivers doing the same after a poorly thrown pass or an interception? Again, this is better served by the coaching staff.

One of the areas of Billys post earlier in this thread that stands out is the ages of the Super Bowl QBs he cited. Someone should gather the ages of all 70 something QBs that have started in the Super Bowl and see what the average age is. Some where young, David Woodley 25 years ago and more recently Tom Brady as examples, but I would bet most have had more than 3 years starting experience and would have an average age in the late 20s. My point here is that when you call these guys LEADERS because their team reached the super bowl what must first be acknowledged is that they had experience.

The Brooks Bashers here don\'t seem to consider that AB has only started 3 1/2 seasons. He is a leader if you define it by the ability to rally the team to victory by making plays and inspiring others to do the same. He has done that. In case none of you have noticed, he is on a wicked pace to shatter all of the Saints positive passing records. He now has experience and has put skins on the wall as far as stats and comebacks. He is in the prime of his career now and I do agree that it is time for him to take his game up a notch and lead this team to new heights. This is a team sport though and one player alone, superman as one may be at his position, can\'t by himself win a championship.
A few players of note that never got there were Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton, Archie Manning, Earl Campbell, O.J. Simpson, and Barry Sanders.

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GumboBC

SaintNik -- Big :thumbup: on that post.

I thought you really got to the heart of the issue and made some very good points.

I\'m going to wait and comment on what I think are some key points of your post. I wanna see what some other members have to say and I don\'t want to \"muddy the waters\" as WhoDat says I do sometimes...

kenpersons

Truer words may never have been spoken. So much of leadership stems from simple accountability: the ownership of ones actions and the consequences of those actions.

Has Haslett owned and taken accountability for the shortcomings and underachievements of his team the last three years?

There will never be any excuses for the Saints. I may never forgive sweeping the Bucs only to see Tampa Bay win the Super Bowl, but the question stands.

FrenzyFan

For the record, I am glad to see BC back on the boards (been meaning to say that for a while now). He always livens things up. However, it makes me wonder at every time \'08 posts something remotely negative, he gets called out on his alleged agenda. Yet this post, which is a purely open attempt to support Brooks (who we all know BC supports - to the death) gets not a peep from the \"agenda-hounds\". Just an interesting observation.....

I don\'t like Brooks. I think he is extremely overrated by a lot of people. Even with this good press, if you go back to his scouting reports some doubted his mental ability to be the QB. Even now, you can find as many articles that point out his flaws, as praise him. I tend to agree with the former. As Brooks is still booed when he shows up in public (happened at a BB game a couple months ago, as a matter of fact) a lot of the other fans in N.O. feel the same way.

Brooks stats are reasonably good, but not so good such as to eliminate my concerns in his obvious mental lapses during games. Watching him completely fall apart last year against Tampa was just so painful to watch. This is his fifth year driving the bus and maybe (finally) he will \"mature\" into the alleged potential that some see in him - I\'m not optimistic about it though. My hope for this year (and last year for that matter) is that Deuce can carry the offense and the defense would magically turn into the Dome Patrol.

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WhoDat

No Billy, I got your point entirely... you\'re wrong. Leadership is valued exactly as it should be in this league, IMO. YOU undervalue it and are downplaying its importance. Further, you talk about team talent and how important it is and then show us SB teams from over a decade ago? That\'s not today\'s NFL Billy Boy.

You think New England is a power house b/c of their \"Super Stars\"? They have great talent? What about Carolina? New York? Baltimore? Certainly you cannot make it to the SB if you are devoid of talented players. However, parity in the league mean just about any team has the talent to get to the SB assuming there is a good coach who can get the most of his players. PART of that means leadership. Leadership from the coach and leadership on the field. Yes, EVERY successful team has to have it. That is definitely part of why we fail.

Further, to suggest this had nothing to do with Brooks is ridiculous. Why then did you list the Super Bowl QUARTERBACKS? Further, I said in my earlier post that the leader is not always the QB. In fact, I said:

\"You\'re right, that doesn\'t mean that he is a bad QB or unworthy of his starting role. He can go to the Pro Bowl and never be a leader.

Now, that being said, yes every team needs a leader (usually a couple) on the field. People to inspire when need be, calm when need be, and keep players head in the right places. That player is usually the QB or RB on offense, and more often than not it\'s the QB. \"

Ray Lewis was Baltimore\'s leader. Sapp and Brooks were Tampa\'s. It doesn\'t HAVE to be a QB, but EVERY good team has solid leaders in their coach and in certain players on the field. This team is without leadership right now, and the place that it MOST OFTEN materializes (in the QB position) it is not and probably will not come from.

\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. That’s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans Saints’ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse


\"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

saintz08

An interesting point to this came out of the Dallas camp last year about midseason . During the games Quincy Carter would line up at the line and maybe a player was in the wrong position or the defense showed him something he did not like , for whatever reason Quincy would call timeout and head to the sidelines and discuss it with Parcels .About midseason in Parcels first year it stopped , Parcels waved Carter back to the huddle , Carter kept approaching Parcels confused . Parcels went out to meet him and the statement was clear .Parcells told Carter to stop running to the sidelines everytime something was wrong , the offense was Carters and for Carter to fix it out there and take charge of what was going on out on the field .

Parcels knows , the Head Coach is just a spectator once the 11 men reach the huddle ...

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo