Our Defense

Joker · 09-16-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

geez; It's been two games! Let them get comfortable and learn all the nuances of the defense... There's an old saying " Rome wasn't built in a day". Same with a new defense, you're not gonna make a top 10 D in a couple of games...

At this point I would settle for a top 25, I would love this to turn around and get better in the next few weeks but I don't see it happening. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it, but the following has to get better

1 Pass Rush
2 linebacker play
3 coverage by corners & safeties

Basically the whole defense

Jamessr · 09-16-2012, 09:29 PM

We dont need a top 10 defense. We need an average defense that can hold teams to 20 points or less. The offense can still score even with issues they're having. Just goes to show how bad the defense is.

DrewDat · 09-16-2012, 09:31 PM

I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better

leilung · 09-18-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better

And replace him with who? Just curious.

He may not be the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott, but he is absolutely serviceable as a SS.

I think all the D woes are a result of undoing the Blitz First mindset instilled by Gregg Williams. Give it until game five and I would guess we're going to see a vast improvement to what we see now.

Now excuse me while I watch replays of the last two weeks and puke...
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228jits · 09-18-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

And replace him with who? Just curious.

He may not be the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott, but he is absolutely serviceable as a SS.

I think all the D woes are a result of undoing the Blitz First mindset instilled by Gregg Williams. Give it until game five and I would guess we're going to see a vast improvement to what we see now.

Now excuse me while I watch replays of the last two weeks and puke...
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Looking at free agent safeties available, Brodney Pool is a better athlete than Harper.

Danno · 09-18-2012, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better

And you'd be wrong a million times. Harper isn't even close to being the problem with this defense. In fact, I'd say he's our 3rd or 4th best player on defense.

Halo · 09-16-2012, 09:39 PM

We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow.

If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play.

Joker · 09-16-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow.

If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play.

Agreed, and no scheme is going to change that. I think we're in for a long year

DrewDat · 09-16-2012, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow.

If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play.

Even Teams With Fat And Slow Lineman Still Have Descent DBs...Lets Be Honest...When Has Harper Ever Mattered Other Than That ONE Year G.W. Had Him On The Blitz Every Other Play???

Halo · 09-16-2012, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by DrewDat

Even Teams With Fat And Slow Lineman Still Have Descent DBs...Lets Be Honest...When Has Harper Ever Mattered Other Than That ONE Year G.W. Had Him On The Blitz Every Other Play???

Look, I'm trying to conceive of the fastest way we can rebuild our defense to suit Spags defensive style. If we acquire 2 vet d-linemen this offseason we would have improved this team overall by a lot. Just look at the Giants, Spags defensive scheme depends on 4 strong down linemen, period.

If we went out and blew our wad on DB's... heck if we had Charles Woodsen and Dion Sanders in their prime back there, we would not improve this D as much.

Right now our DB's are stopping runs AND covering passes all over the field which means we're not stopping offenses at the at the line of scrimmage, nor are we getting penetration on opposing QB's. This problem goes back to BEFORE Gregg Williams with similar personnel. Just watch the game on tv tonight, the 49ers' DB's are NOT involved on every single play like the Saints. That's because they attack at the line of scrimmage.

We do need to beef up the DB's, but first things first - acquire some d-linemen that can effectively attack the line of scrimmage.

09-16-2012, 09:30 PM	#1
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| geez; It's been two games! Let them get comfortable and learn all the nuances of the defense... There's an old saying " Rome wasn't built in a day". Same with a new defense, you're not gonna make a top 10 D in a couple of games... At this point I would settle for a top 25, I would love this to turn around and get better in the next few weeks but I don't see it happening. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it, but the following has to get better 1 Pass Rush 2 linebacker play 3 coverage by corners & safeties Basically the whole defense

09-16-2012, 09:29 PM	#2
Jamessr 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 1,583	Re: Our Defense We dont need a top 10 defense. We need an average defense that can hold teams to 20 points or less. The offense can still score even with issues they're having. Just goes to show how bad the defense is.

09-16-2012, 09:31 PM	#3
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	Re: Our Defense I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better Jamessr likes this.

09-18-2012, 02:13 PM	#4
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,419	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by DrewDat I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better And replace him with who? Just curious. He may not be the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott, but he is absolutely serviceable as a SS. I think all the D woes are a result of undoing the Blitz First mindset instilled by Gregg Williams. Give it until game five and I would guess we're going to see a vast improvement to what we see now. Now excuse me while I watch replays of the last two weeks and puke... :: \|Mitch\| likes this.

09-18-2012, 03:02 PM	#5
228jits Southern Sooner Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gulfcoast, MS Posts: 83	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by leilung And replace him with who? Just curious. He may not be the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott, but he is absolutely serviceable as a SS. I think all the D woes are a result of undoing the Blitz First mindset instilled by Gregg Williams. Give it until game five and I would guess we're going to see a vast improvement to what we see now. Now excuse me while I watch replays of the last two weeks and puke... :: Looking at free agent safeties available, Brodney Pool is a better athlete than Harper.

09-18-2012, 02:29 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by DrewDat I Said It A Million Times.....GET RID OF HARPER....Our D Will Make A Huge Change For The Better And you'd be wrong a million times. Harper isn't even close to being the problem with this defense. In fact, I'd say he's our 3rd or 4th best player on defense. leilung likes this.

09-16-2012, 09:39 PM	#7
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,854 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Our Defense We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow. If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play. saintfan and CharityMike like this.

09-16-2012, 09:42 PM	#8
Joker Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lafayette Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by Halo We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow. If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play. Agreed, and no scheme is going to change that. I think we're in for a long year

09-16-2012, 09:45 PM	#9
DrewDat DOMEPATROL Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville,Florida Due To Military Obligation Posts: 479	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by Halo We have a weak set of 4 down linemen. Watch the game tonight with San Fran. Their front 4 are lean, tall and evasive. 2 of our front 4 are fat and too slow. If we got pressure up front no one would care about the DB's because they would not be depended on like they are now play after play. Even Teams With Fat And Slow Lineman Still Have Descent DBs...Lets Be Honest...When Has Harper Ever Mattered Other Than That ONE Year G.W. Had Him On The Blitz Every Other Play???

09-16-2012, 09:54 PM	#10
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,854 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by DrewDat Even Teams With Fat And Slow Lineman Still Have Descent DBs...Lets Be Honest...When Has Harper Ever Mattered Other Than That ONE Year G.W. Had Him On The Blitz Every Other Play??? Look, I'm trying to conceive of the fastest way we can rebuild our defense to suit Spags defensive style. If we acquire 2 vet d-linemen this offseason we would have improved this team overall by a lot. Just look at the Giants, Spags defensive scheme depends on 4 strong down linemen, period. If we went out and blew our wad on DB's... heck if we had Charles Woodsen and Dion Sanders in their prime back there, we would not improve this D as much. Right now our DB's are stopping runs AND covering passes all over the field which means we're not stopping offenses at the at the line of scrimmage, nor are we getting penetration on opposing QB's. This problem goes back to BEFORE Gregg Williams with similar personnel. Just watch the game on tv tonight, the 49ers' DB's are NOT involved on every single play like the Saints. That's because they attack at the line of scrimmage. We do need to beef up the DB's, but first things first - acquire some d-linemen that can effectively attack the line of scrimmage.
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