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You silly, LOL!!!!!

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OK,

I said CB's are typically 6-0 and under. True

Most of the greatest CB's of all time are around 5-10 or 5-11. True

Its a myth that you need tall CB's to compete today. True

Most 5-11 CB's have a freaking vertical nearly 1/2 foot higher than most of these tall WR/TE's playing today. True

Nowhere did I say that 6'0 CB's being better is a myth. I said you don't need tall (over 6'0) CB's to compete, then stated that most of the best CB's of all time ever are under 6'0, to illustrate that you don't have to be a tall CB (over 6'0) to compete.

This is taking way too much effort to relay what should be easy to understand. This is my final attempt at helping you understand. I'm sure the rest of the board is growing tired of this silly back and forth too. I hope you understand.

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If there's a 6' 2" prospect and a 5' 11" prospect and both are capable cornerbacks, I'm getting the size...

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I do think Danno is on point with the things he stated pertaining to CBs, but I personally would always choose the taller CB if otherwise the CBs in question were about the same in other areas.

More than size, it comes down to body management and how CBs with smaller statures can maneuver themselves in relation to the receiver - when talking about the really tall WRs in the league. Height doesn't make CBs better by its virtue alone, but it can certainly help a lot when one has to go against a big physical receiver in a man coverage scheme.

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the wr are getting taller so the cb must do the same. in many ways the cb are just starting to catch up

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Exactly, but like Danno said, having tall CBs isn't necessary to compete - even though having them will probably make it easier to compete.

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True. If you gave me a choice between a 5-11 Deion Sanders, and a 6'4 Deion Sanders, obviously you go with the taller one. No one disagrees with that.

But as I pointed out, you don't have to be over 6'0 to play CB wellin this league. If a 6'0 CB has an 6" vertical advantage over a 6'4 WR, you don't have a problem.

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Word semantics.... I apologize you said to compete, and not better than. I could have easily argued that better is what you meant, but it won't advance us.

This is my attempt at humor, has nothing to do with the convo>>>> I should or could have never thought that better is what you meant based on you making the under 6'0ft corner seem like Superman was guarding the defensive backfield:roll: .... I mean you said everything except shorter CB's could leap tall buildings in a single bound. <<<< But, I digress

To your not needing 6'0ft corners to compete comment I gave you kudos by saying that I agreed..... Then I mentioned that even thought your statement is true, the saints have been committed to going opposite of your statement in their free agency signs and visits.... To which there has still been no response....

If the Saints are in fact targeting taller man up corners, shouldn't I want them to follow with what the plan is? That is the whole reason I said a tall man up corner.

This is taking way too much effort to relay what should be easy to understand. This is my final attempt at helping you understand. This is an unnecessary statement.... borderline insulting. I have a very good understanding of the english language as I am sure you do too. If I wanted to trade insults I would be on the page where that was more of the norm. Again answer and move on.....

I'm sure the rest of the board is growing tired of this silly back and forth too. I can't speak for everyone in the room but IMHO fights between family members is what builds the best families.... doubt they would think otherwise!!!!!

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OK, One last time I promise.

I said you don't need tall CB's to compete. 6'0 isn't a tall CB. I stated that CB's are typically 6'0 and under. What is it about that statement that you don't understand? :bang:

You then pointed out that we looked at two 6'0 CB's. How is looking at 6'0 CB's "going opposite" of my statement that CB's are typically 6'0 and under?

This is now my 3rd reponse to your comments that you claim I haven't responded to.

Hell, maybe its me. Can someone else explain to me where the disconnect is coming from? I am simply unable to make it any more clear than I already have, in several different posts.

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No - We do not know our 2013 strengths and weaknesses on defense yet, and Ryan is not going to know that answer until he puts the players through their paces. It's not always the tools in the box but how you use them.

If you refute that statement then you also believe that it has nothing to do with utilization in Ingram's case... He is just not that good.

Furthermore if its the players that are either good or bad solely based on that merit, and neither utilization nor Spags influenced how bad our defense was in 2012..... then... having Payton back will change nothing in 2013.