2013 NFL Draft - Saints Big Board

[lsutigerfan]

Originally Posted by iceshack149

In the CBS mock draft consisting of Rob Rang, Dane Brugler, Pat Kirwan, and Pete Prisco, the earliest they have Bjoern Werner (Kirwan's pick) picked is at #17 by the Steelers. Is there something I'm missing? I thought that Werner was regarded as the one the safest picks in this draft.

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This is one of those cases where Pro Day hurt both Werner and Damontre Moore.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by lsutigerfan

This is one of those cases where Pro Day hurt both Werner and Damontre Moore.

ProDays, Senior Bowls help clear away the PR Bullshinski...

[papz]

I can't believe how Damontre Moore is falling. If he were wind up a Saint, I'd be very happy. I don't care how he's tested out... the man knows how to play football.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by papz

I can't believe how Damontre Moore is falling. If he were wind up a Saint, I'd be very happy. I don't care how he's tested out... the man knows how to play football.

Papz, he was a baller in college, but when the game gets bigger, faster in the pros - well there's a reason why he's droppin...

[papz]

I disagree. The only reason why he's dropping is because of his physical traits. On film against the top level of collegiate competition, he was outstanding. I'd take him any day all day against a guy who a shoddy tract record against mediocre competition. For guys like Moore, you can take that 40 time and throw it out the window.

Too much is put in stock of these guys personal workouts. Never in their life in football are they going against no one. While it's great for eye candy stats, for me, I'm more concerned and I put more importance on what these guys have done on the football field.

Vernon Gholston says hi to everybody.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

JP's Mock Draft Saints (updated 02/06/2013)

Saints Trade Back Scenario

01 (Trade Down)

01 (20-25) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia; Height: 6-3. Weight: 236; Estimated 40 - 4.6.

Excellent all-around athlete; Playmaker, Production with Sacks, Pass Defensed, Int; Character Issues - suspended four games for positive pi$$ test...

Why he'll be drafted by Saints? Wouldn't be surprised if the interview of Todd Grantham is to get more insight into reasons behind Ogletree's suspension...

02 Goodelled


02 (52-57) David Amerson, CB, NC State; Height: 6-2. Weight: 194; Estimated 40 - 4.4.

Led nation as sophomore with thirteen (13) interceptions; can move to Safety (position he was recruited for out of High School; will match up well against big, physical NFL receivers; had disappointing Junior Year which will cause him to fall to second round...

Why Saints should draft him? The Saints have to get as physical with receivers as the new NFL passing defense rules will allow which mean physical engagement at the LOS and reducing the passing windows quarterbacks may throw over smaller DBs to WRs...


03 David Quessenberry, OT, San Jose State; Height: 6-5. Weight: 295; Estimated 40 - 5.1.

Rising prospect; Smaller school product that took advantage of his invite at the Senior Bowl and really held his own against some very polished pass rushers.

Why the Saints will draft him? The Saints are different than most teams in that they commit their resources (salary cap) to their interior line; but the tackle play has been less than stellar and rumor is that Bushrod and the Saints will be far apart on contract expectations; a young, quicker, hungrier Tackle may be the ticket to energize what has been one of the best units in the league...


04 Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia; Height: 6-6. Weight: 355; Estimated 40 - 5.2.

Big Strong Junior Early Entry from Georgia; Good Bloodlines; Excellent Prospect who'll be available in mid rounds as he still needs some coaching...

Why Saints Should Draft Him? This is Jumpy Geathers' Nephew!


05 Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina; Height: 6-7. Weight: 275; Estimated 40 - 4.8.

Another player who's stat lines declined this year after being named First Team All-SEC last season; his big frame offers some unique matchups, however he'll have to match up against slower right tackles; but in a 3-4, his focus will be more on occupying lineman allowing the linebackers to attack...

Why the Saints will draft him? He's exactly the type of value the Saints always seem to find in the mid-rounds; and with plenty of defensive ends available the past two season, he should be available...


06 Ryan Griffin, QB, Tulane; Height: 6-5. Weight: 206; Estimated 40 - 4.9.

Pedestrian numbers for a typically disappointing Tulane Squad this past season- 9GS, 2771 PaYd, PaCp 62.2, 19 PaTD, 11 Int; so what's the big deal? He shows up at the Texas v. The World Game and surrounded with comparable talent to the other signal callers he blows it outta there with Scouts scrambling moving this All-Academic Signal Caller up draft boards...

Why the Saints Will Draft Him? Curtis Johnson, former Saints WR Coach, is the new Tulane Head Coach and will give Sean Payton a no-nonsense, first-hand scouting report that will sneak the Saints an excellent prospect at QB...


07 Cody Davis, SS, Texas Tech; Height: 6-2. Weight: 205; Estimated 40 - 4.5.

Four year starter and excellent tackler and hitter; should offer solid depth and an excellent special teams player...

Why the Saints should draft him? He's just the type of player Sean Payton likes - scrappy, tenacious, overlooked; and the Saints special teams play costs them no less than two games this past season...

Wanted to Look Back and See and compare going to the week of the draft...

First, actually thought ReRun and Duane-wayne could talk Rodge into giving us back our second rounder - d'oh!

Second, surprised that several on list are still there, even if some are in different spots...

Third, even if it is a seventh rounder - am really p/o how poorly the Saints front office values, manages draft picks...

Finally, if we stay in the first round, I don't want to risk not drafting Ogletree; if we can gain two second rounders from either Cincy or Miami, then I'm fine with letting geaux the first rounder, but I'd just as soon sit at fifteen and put that Black and Gold Jersey on Ogletree...

Now, I'd love to get creative and do to the Jets what their trying to do to the Bucs trade for a second, sixth round pick(s) for Ivory, Harper...

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by papz

I disagree. The only reason why he's dropping is because of his physical traits. On film against the top level of collegiate competition, he was outstanding. I'd take him any day all day against a guy who a shoddy tract record against mediocre competition. For guys like Moore, you can take that 40 time and throw it out the window.

Too much is put in stock of these guys personal workouts. Never in their life in football are they going against no one. While it's great for eye candy stats, for me, I'm more concerned and I put more importance on what these guys have done on the football field.

Vernon Gholston says hi to everybody.

Totally agree and get your point on the film and game play - but that's also my point, and I'll clarify...

When a player is balling at a very high level, above his athleticism, at the college level in big games- while I appreciate hard play as much as anyone - NFL Scouts, Coaches have to ask "Can this guy do this every down, where talent is deep on every roster?"

Think on the Reggie Bush Lesson - in college, Reggie had big games against big talent, but in the NFL everyone's big and as fast, including the waterboys - and Reggie stubbornly struggled to adjust his game...

You really have to consider the ceilings of these guys when drafting and that's why I'd question their game in the NFL...

[jeanpierre]

2013 Saint's Draft Mock (JeanPierre)

[Updated 2013/04/21]

R1 (15) LB Alec Ogletree, University of Georgia

R2 Forfeit

R3 (72) Jaime Collins, University of Southern Mississippi (from NYJ)

R3 (75) OT David Quessenberry, San José State University

R4 (109) OL Barrett Jones, University of Alabama

R5 (144) DE Joe Kruger, University of Utah

R6 (183) FS Cody Davis, Texas Tech University

[jeanpierre]

Sport Science: Alec Ogletree - ESPN Video - ESPN

[hagan714]

they all flunked the evening gown and swimsuit portion of the pre draft competition.

yet another reason to use water proof makeup i guess

its all due to over hype players by the media. thats why they are like baseball players batting average of .300 and they are kings. alot of swings and miss.

go with tape